Disable a segmentation rule

Good morning,

When translating an html file, we're facing an issue with Trados Studio since it segments the bold parts that are between the tags and . Here is an example:

HTML:

HTML code snippet with strong tags surrounding the word 'Robe' followed by a non-breaking space and other text.

Trados:

Trados Studio interface showing segmented translation with the word 'Robe' on one line and the rest of the sentence on another.

This has also happened previously with bold letters in the middle of a sentence or even in words. We don't have any segmentation rule in our memory that tells Trados to segment whenever a "" appears, so we can't delete it. How can we tell Trados to not segment whenever this tag appears?

Thank you in advance for your help!

Noa

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Disable a segmentation rule Good morning, When translating an html file, we're facing an issue with Trados Studio since it segments the bold parts that are between the tags and . Here is an example: HTML: https://community.rws.com/resized-image/__size/1800x1200/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/90/2022_2D00_05_2D00_25-08_5F00_49_5F00_58_2D00_C_5F005F00_Users_5F00_noa.gallego_5F00_Downloads_5F00_20220520095609_2D00_Italie_2D00_NFEUILL71.html-_2D00_-Notepad_2B002B00_.jpg https://community.rws.com/resized-image/__size/1800x1200/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/90/2022_2D00_05_2D00_25-08_5F00_53_5F00_08_2D00_C_5F005F00_Users_5F00_noa.gallego_5F00_Downloads_5F00_20220520095609_2D00_Italie_2D00_NFEUILL71.html-_2D00_-Notepad_2B002B00_.png Trados: https://community.rws.com/resized-image/__size/710x140/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/90/7-Capture.PNG https://community.rws.com/resized-image/__size/808x168/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/90/1Capture.PNG This has also happened previously with bold letters in the middle of a sentence or even in words. We don't have any segmentation rule in our memory that tells Trados to segment whenever a "" appears, so we can't delete it. How can we tell Trados to not segment whenever this tag appears? Thank you in advance for your help! Noa
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Paul over 3 years ago in reply to Noa Gallego +1 verified

My defaults give me this: Using your rules gets me this: So we seem to be on the same page now at least! To fix it I just added a rule for strong to your rules and made it inline. Because you…

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0 Paul over 3 years ago

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As far as I can see the default settings don't do this:

So I suggest you look at whether you have created parser rules that segment on the html filetype, or maybe created a segmentation rule on your TM. Given the defaults don't do this with the file I created based on your image we'd need more information from you to be able to help.

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0 Paul over 3 years ago

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As far as I can see the default settings don't do this:

So I suggest you look at whether you have created parser rules that segment on the html filetype, or maybe created a segmentation rule on your TM. Given the defaults don't do this with the file I created based on your image we'd need more information from you to be able to help.

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0 Noa Gallego over 3 years ago in reply to Paul

Good morning, Paul

Thank you for your reply. We've been checking our Trados parser rules for the html filetype and we can't find anything related to the bold ("strong") tag. Here is a screenshot of the parser rules:

We've just tried adding a "strong" rule with the same configuration as the other rules, but nothing changes on the segmentation, so we've deleted it. It was like this:

We've also tried with both "Not translatable" and "Inline" interchangeably with "Translatable" and "Structure" and we haven't found the way to make it work with this configurations.

In our memories, we only have the 3 default ones and the ones we have created for the hyphen and the "br" tag:

How should we proceed?

Thank you,

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0 Paul over 3 years ago in reply to Noa Gallego

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Noa Gallego said:
How should we proceed?

Provide a sample file so we actually have the same problem to contend with that you do. Otherwise we are totally guessing and as you can see I don't have that problem with my guess! Just provide a small sample file that behaves in the way you see now. So only a few segments. It's not helpful to have to try and help with huge files.

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0 Paul over 3 years ago in reply to Noa Gallego

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Noa Gallego said:
In our memories, we only have the 3 default ones and the ones we have created for the hyphen and the "br" tag:

Are you sure you needed to do this? We can't see what the rules were or know what effect this might be having on your file, so if you can provide an empty TM or Language Resource Template with your rules that would also be good.

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0 Noa Gallego over 3 years ago in reply to Paul

Hi!

Thank you for your quick reply!

Here I attach both an empty TM with the segmentation rules that we use and a sample file (the one I used for the examples, which show on segments 125 to 130 in my project).

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0 Paul over 3 years ago in reply to Noa Gallego

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ok - so these bits?

Screenshot of HTML code in Trados Studio with highlighted text showing wine details such as region, color, content, alcohol percentage, blend, serving temperature, and storage time.

ok. I took your file and based on your instructions created a new file like this (a small file!):

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<!DOCTYPE html PUBLIC "-//W3C//DTD XHTML 1.0 Transitional//EN" "www.w3.org/.../head><body>
<div class="tab_content hideDesktop" id="tab2"><div class="tab_contentGen"><ul class="detailInfoWine">	<li>	<p><span class="detailWineTitle">R&eacute;gion</span></p>	<span class="detailWineTxt">Champagne</span></li>	<li>	<p><span class="detailWineTitle">Couleur</span></p>	<span class="detailWineTxt">Blanc et Ros&eacute;</span></li>	<li>	<p><span class="detailWineTitle">Contenance</span></p>	<span class="detailWineTxt">7 x 75 cl</span></li>	<li>	<p><span class="detailWineTitle">Alcool</span></p>	<span class="detailWineTxt">12% vol.</span></li>	<li>	<p><span class="detailWineTitle">Assemblage</span></p>	<span class="detailWineTxt">Champagne Brut, Cuv&eacute;e Sp&eacute;ciale, Blanc de Blancs : 100% Chardonnay / Champagne Brut, Cuv&eacute;e Sp&eacute;ciale, ros&eacute; : 30% Chardonnay, 45% Pinot noir, 25% Meunier /Champagne Brut, Mill&eacute;sim&eacute; 2015, Cuv&eacute;e Sp&eacute;ciale : 40% Chardonnay, 40% Pinot noir, 20% Meunier /Champagne Brut Grande R&eacute;serve + rafra&icirc;chisseur : 60% Pinot Noir, 30 % Meunier et 10% Chardonnay</span></li>	<li>	<p><span class="detailWineTitle">T&deg; de service</span></p>	<span class="detailWineTxt">de 7 &agrave; 8&deg; pour l'ap&eacute;ritif et de 10 &agrave; 12&deg; &agrave; table</span></li>	<li>	<p><span class="detailWineTitle">Temps de garde</span></p>	<span class="detailWineTxt">&agrave; d&eacute;guster d&egrave;s maintenant et pendant 3 ans.</span></li></ul></div></div></body></html>

This renders as you explained like this:

Screenshot of Trados Studio interface with a file path at the top, followed by a list of wine details in French, and a highlighted section indicating translation from French to Spanish.

Now, I don't see any examples in here that look anything like your original problem. The strong tag isn't even in here. I don't really know what I'm supposed to be achieving for you here. Can you explain based on this example you provided?

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0 Noa Gallego over 3 years ago in reply to Paul

Hi!

In my 125 to 130 segments, the text is different. Here is a screenshot:

In this html file, this segmentation issue affects mostly to "Robe", "Nez" and "Bouche", but also other words. These are the ones that have most repetitions.

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0 Paul over 3 years ago in reply to Noa Gallego

ok - with the TM you provided and the full file I see this:

You must have some segmentation on your parser rules. Your TM br rule is not doing anything because it's a tag. If I don't use a TM at all I see this:

So, can you share your filetype settings?

Mine is greyed because they are default. If your is not greyed then you have made some changes there and this may be having some impact. If they are greyed then can you tell us what version of the software you are working with?

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0 Noa Gallego over 3 years ago in reply to Paul

We are currently using in my team Trados 2021. We have a custom filetype settings file:

Custom file type for HTML (2).zip

These are the parser settings for this custom filetype:

We have the default HTML 5 filetype with the default settings and on a lower place so that the "brand new" filetype settings come first. If I go to the Parser settings of HTML 5, there is a rule for "strong" with tag type "Inline". Could this be the rule that is segmenting the "strong" tags?

Thank you!

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+1 Paul over 3 years ago in reply to Noa Gallego

My defaults give me this:

Using your rules gets me this:

So we seem to be on the same page now at least!

To fix it I just added a rule for strong to your rules and made it inline. Because you excluded a rule for strong it inherited the structure for html.

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0 Noa Gallego over 3 years ago in reply to Paul

Hi!

I added the "strong" rule as inline and translatable and now I get the same segmentation as your last screenshot:

This is just what we needed!

Thank you so much for fixing the issue and for all the time and work you've invested on my question!!!

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