Thanks Paul, I appreciate your detailed reply!

I am confused about the API plugin though. Did they change their subscription plans? I used to have a recently-expired DeepL Pro Advanced subscription that came with an API key "Authentication Key for CAT tool plugins: Use your Authentication Key to allow your CAT tools to access DeepL's translations."
 
However, you say 'Of these three [DeepL API Free, DeepL API Pro, DeepL API for Business] only one includes CAT tool integration and that's "DeepL API for Business".'  and that it's potentially illegal to use any others for CAT tool integration or did I misunderstand?

Cheers,

Dani

Daniela Wittmeier 

You misunderstood.

I am specifically talking about the ability to use the DeepL glossary feature in a CAT tool integration.  This is only available to users with a DeepL API Business subscription.  So once we complete the enhancement anyone using Ultimate or Advanced will still be able to use the CAT tool integration, but not the Glossary feature.  They can use glossaries elsewhere, just not in a CAT tool.  This is because they have two different types of glossary and they are not interchangeable.

Ah right, thanks for clarifying!

 Paul I am really surprised by the information you provided about glossary function not available in DeepL Pro API. 

According to DeepL documentation (https://support.deepl.com/hc/en-us/articles/360021638100), "You can create glossaries with your DeepL API (Free and Pro) subscription". To confirm, I successfully added another glossary, and used it in translation from Polish to English, with my DeepL Pro account and DeepL plug-in to memoQ 9.14. (I had used this function before, today I wanted to ensure it was not withdrawn by DeepL for Pro accounts, and it was not.)

The limitation about glossaries not being directly portable between web DeepL Pro and CAT DeepL Pro plug-in is known, and there is also a known work-around documented (https://support.deepl.com/hc/en-us/articles/4405021321746): "Please note that glossaries created via the DeepL API are distinct from glossaries created via the DeepL website and DeepL desktop apps. This means that API glossaries can't be used on the DeepL website and DeepL desktop apps and vice versa. It is, however, possible to download your glossary created via the DeepL website or DeepL desktop apps as a CSV file, which you can upload to create a new glossary in the API."

The also-known inconvenience of deleting the existing glossary and adding a new one whenever we need to update a glossary - no need to "recreate", just re-upload the updated CSV file - is relatively small, compared to how nicely the glossary function works in DeepL and how it helps ensure correct terminology, consistency, and do-not-translate, all within a singe-user Pro license. Nb. the glossary works well for languages with flexion (you only add nominative form and DeepL takes care of all derivative forms!).

To sum up: DeepL glossary is a particularly attractive option, and I am positive that it still works for DeepL Pro API.

Marta Bartnicka 

I think you have just clarified why there is so much confusion around this.  The DeepL team advised us today that "Direct access to our API by customers who do not have a DeepL API subscription counts as a violation of our Terms and Conditions and may result in a corresponding suspension for these customers." 

Their website says that DeepL API Free/Pro does not include CAT tool integration or the web translator.

https://www.deepl.com/pro#developer

I also know that we currently don't have a way to determine what kind of API account a user has.  Make of that what you will.

Marta Bartnicka said:

The limitation about glossaries not being directly portable between web DeepL Pro and CAT DeepL Pro plug-in is known, and there is also a known work-around documented

I'm perfectly aware of the workaround and if users are happy with this then that's fine.  My point is I want people to understand what they will be getting as it may not be exactly what many users think based on my discussions with many translators so far who only work with Pro.

Marta Bartnicka said:

I am positive that it still works for DeepL Pro API.

It may be that in order to use this you would at least need Ultimate or Advanced AND DeepL API Pro, or DeepL API for Business.  It's not clear for me yet either.  I only know that you cannot use DeepL Pro API on its own without violating the DeepL Terms and Conditions.

Now, that's getting interesting! If DeepL API Pro does not include CAT tools integration, how does Trados DeepL plug-in ever work (with or without the Glossary function)?

 Marta Bartnicka 

Because you don't need that subscription for a CAT tool integration.  It's enough to use Ultimate or Advanced.

1. CAT tool integration
2. glossaries, but NOT glossaries created via the API and only glossaries created with the API are accessible in a CAT tool if the integration to support them is in place

It is a little complicated.

I am wondering why they might do this limitation. It is clearly lowering the productivity of Trados.

Hi all, thanks for the important discussion. Reading all the posts I was trying to get out all the basic information.

My main question: SDL Trados is still working on the glossary function in its plugin, right?  So it is not yet available but will be in the near future, correct?

Thanks in advance!

Well so probably for now it is on hold, due to the licence issues. Right now it seems like users have to have two subscriptions, one for the cat tool and one for the api to get the workflow automated. What I am wondering, other cat providers at least state, that they managed this kind of integration:  https://phrase.com/news/deepl-rozetta/

Paul Maybe the link above would be worth sending to the deepL team and asking how they did it then, or if they require each user to have two accounts.