Hi all,

I have deleted everything I wrote because it seems to be upsetting so many people.

In all my years beta testing since Studio and MultiTerm were first created and before, I don't remember angering anyone before.

BTW I don't work for RWS, I'm just a user who happens to be fortunate enough to have had no problems in all these years that I couldn't resolve with or without help.

All the best to all

Dear Alison,

It would have been nice to ask before "deleting evertyhing". There were interesting ideas in my suggestions and we could all have edited our thread to soften our discussion and leaving the good ideas for reference...

Have a nice day.

Hi Olivier,

I just wanted to defuse the situation because someone described it as a 'battle' which horrified me.

My intention was only to remove what I had written. Did some of your comments disappear also? If so, I'm sorry. I must have omitted to untick 'Delete Children'. Oh dear.

Maybe Paul could restore your comments?

All the best,

Ali

No worries. My previous posts need to be edited anyway. I'll rewrite something simple, factual and neutral so that the elements I added to detail my idea are not lost.

Alll the best,

Olivier

Hi again Olivier 

Thank you for being so understanding!

I hadn't noticed that your very long post/s disappeared. I know it must have taken you a long time to write, I feel awful for accidentally deleting it... Maybe someone still has the email with your contribution in it?

Anybody?  Burim Bektesi   Adam Warren 

All the best,

Ali

At the risk of being otiose, I have copied the almost-complete sequence, barring, I think, Alison's original statement. I reproduce the sequence unedited below:

"Dear Trados Studio developers,

Regarding term recognition in the editor, there used to be a great feature in the Workbench (yes, that was a long time ago!): you could simply click on the red line above a term and the termbase recognition panel would instantly show that term (only that term, not all terms). This was one of the best features of the Workbench, and then... it disappeared.

The current approach, which is to display ALL terms in a segment, is very time-consuming when you have a very large termbase [50000+ terms]: it usually takes several seconds to display, which is really disproportionate, and what's more, the term recognition panel starts from the 1st term in the source segment, followed by many, many terms (can be 30) where you have to find the term you are looking for (by the way, the hotkey for "term search" doesn't help, as there is a bug in this feature).

I just hope that someone will read my prose...

Thanks!
Olivier

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Olivier 15 days ago in reply to Adam Warren +2
Maybe the whole list of terms in the term recognition panel could remain as it is now, but clicking on a term in the source segment could scroll the list to the desired term.
Burim Bektesi
Burim Bektesi 14 days ago +2
Alison Field Dear Alison, I don't see a problem if 2 people have possible contradictions in their statements, even if I don't see this contradiction. Oliver would like a function back, and there seems…
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Adam Warren 15 days ago +1
I think this feature ought to be incorporated alongside the listing of terms in the dedicated window: I find clicking on the term in that window to insert it is also very useful. A fair breeze to this…
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Burim Bektesi 14 days ago
Alison Field

Dear Alison,

I don't see a problem if 2 people have possible contradictions in their statements, even if I don't see this contradiction. Oliver would like a function back, and there seems to have been such a change. Apparently a backward step according to Oliver.

Can you tell me of any other change to the Term Recognition window in the last 20 years? While a lot has changed and most things have improved in Trados Studio, term recognition is apparently NOT a priority.

And I would like to be taken seriously:

Apart from the fact that terms are very often NOT displayed (in one segment they are, in another they are not) - adding information, definitions etc. is very limited. As soon as the text is too long, it disappears behind the next entry.

And: have you ever noticed that - if such information is stored - it is displayed in a tooltip completely in one line across the entire screen? Without wrapping. And that this tooltip disappears after a very short time?

The display of images is also far from helpful. You have to click to go to the terbase window and the picture there is far too small to recognize something.

So the Term Recongnition window is definitely no better than it was back in 2007. Unfortunately! So where's the priority here?

The only thing I have to reproach myself for is that I haven't found the time to write down all the grievances and document them clearly here in the forum

But I have often spoken to Trados employees about this and hoped for every update, only to be disappointed every time.

If "term management is better now than it ever was back then", than all credit goes to Gerhard Kordmann and his Glossary Converter.

Me I am not talking about Studio MultiTerm itself, but about the Term Recongnition Window.

Best regards

Burim

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Burim Bektesi 14 days ago in reply to Burim Bektesi
Screenshot of Trados Studio Ideas Editor with a warning for multiple file handling and a terminology recognition error highlighted in the translation segment.

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I think this feature ought to be incorporated alongside the listing of terms in the dedicated window: I find clicking on the term in that window to insert it is also very useful. A fair breeze to this suggestion. With kind regards.

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Olivier 15 days ago in reply to Adam Warren
Maybe the whole list of terms in the term recognition panel could remain as it is now, but clicking on a term in the source segment could scroll the list to the desired term.

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Burim Bektesi 15 days ago
I have been fighting for years for the Term Recognition Window to finally arrive in modern times. But unfortunately it still remains the same as in TagEditor from 2007 and earlier. Absolutely incomprehensible. But I have given up.

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Olivier 15 days ago in reply to Burim Bektesi
Disappointed Apparently term management is not a priority... That's a pity.

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Adam Warren 8 days ago
I think it impolitic to savage a hard-pressed contributor's suggestion, since the plea stems from his need.

Regarding TagEditor, I have kept my Trados 2007 software active precisely because of the virtues of TagEditor: it cuts its way through parts lists like a hot knife through butter, and handles footnotes as to the manner born. I have a dummy TM in Workbench format for these uses, without prejudice to my cherished 2022 Studio.

Sorry to bung all this stuff at you, Dear Colleagues, but it endorses a heartfelt wish.

I would venture to add that it is high time to launch a beta 64-bit Studio version for us to cut our teeth on.

With kind regards to you all, including the development team, and Alison Slight smile!

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Alison Field 7 days ago
Hi all,

I have deleted everything I wrote because it seems to be upsetting so many people.

In all my years beta testing since Studio and MultiTerm were first created and before, I don't remember angering anyone before.

BTW I don't work for RWS, I'm just a user who happens to be fortunate enough to have had no problems in all these years that I couldn't resolve with or without help.

All the best to all

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Olivier 2 hours ago in reply to Alison Field
Dear Alison,

It would have been nice to ask before "deleting evertyhing". There were interesting ideas in my suggestions and we could all have edited our thread to soften our discussion and leaving the good ideas for reference...

Have a nice day.

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Alison Field 23 minutes ago in reply to Olivier
Hi Olivier,

I just wanted to defuse the situation because someone described it as a 'battle' which horrified me.

My intention was only to remove what I had written. Did some of your comments disappear also? If so, I'm sorry. I must have omitted to untick 'Delete Children'. Oh dear.

Maybe Paul could restore your comments?

All the best,

Ali Smiley

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Olivier 15 minutes ago in reply to Alison Field
No worries. My previous posts need to be edited anyway. I'll rewrite something simple, factual and neutral so that the elements I added to detail my idea are not lost.

Alll the best,

Olivier

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Alison Field 12 minutes ago in reply to Olivier
Hi again Olivier

Thank you for being so understanding!

I hadn't noticed that your very long post/s disappeared. I know it must have taken you a long time to write, I feel awful for accidentally deleting it... Maybe someone still has the email with your contribution in it?

Anybody? Burim Bektesi Adam Warren

All the best,

Ali Slight smile"

At the risk of being otiose, I have copied the almost-complete sequence, barring, I think, Alison's original statement. I reproduce the sequence unedited below:

"Dear Trados Studio developers,

Regarding term recognition in the editor, there used to be a great feature in the Workbench (yes, that was a long time ago!): you could simply click on the red line above a term and the termbase recognition panel would instantly show that term (only that term, not all terms). This was one of the best features of the Workbench, and then... it disappeared.

The current approach, which is to display ALL terms in a segment, is very time-consuming when you have a very large termbase [50000+ terms]: it usually takes several seconds to display, which is really disproportionate, and what's more, the term recognition panel starts from the 1st term in the source segment, followed by many, many terms (can be 30) where you have to find the term you are looking for (by the way, the hotkey for "term search" doesn't help, as there is a bug in this feature).

I just hope that someone will read my prose...

Thanks!
Olivier

term recognition
Terminology
termbaseOlivierOlivier
16 Apr 2024
More
12 comments 1 member is here
Top Comments
Olivier
Olivier 15 days ago in reply to Adam Warren +2
Maybe the whole list of terms in the term recognition panel could remain as it is now, but clicking on a term in the source segment could scroll the list to the desired term.
Burim Bektesi
Burim Bektesi 14 days ago +2
Alison Field Dear Alison, I don't see a problem if 2 people have possible contradictions in their statements, even if I don't see this contradiction. Oliver would like a function back, and there seems…
Adam Warren
Adam Warren 15 days ago +1
I think this feature ought to be incorporated alongside the listing of terms in the dedicated window: I find clicking on the term in that window to insert it is also very useful. A fair breeze to this…
Oldest
Best
Newest
Burim Bektesi
Burim Bektesi 14 days ago
Alison Field

Dear Alison,

I don't see a problem if 2 people have possible contradictions in their statements, even if I don't see this contradiction. Oliver would like a function back, and there seems to have been such a change. Apparently a backward step according to Oliver.

Can you tell me of any other change to the Term Recognition window in the last 20 years? While a lot has changed and most things have improved in Trados Studio, term recognition is apparently NOT a priority.

And I would like to be taken seriously:

Apart from the fact that terms are very often NOT displayed (in one segment they are, in another they are not) - adding information, definitions etc. is very limited. As soon as the text is too long, it disappears behind the next entry.

And: have you ever noticed that - if such information is stored - it is displayed in a tooltip completely in one line across the entire screen? Without wrapping. And that this tooltip disappears after a very short time?

The display of images is also far from helpful. You have to click to go to the terbase window and the picture there is far too small to recognize something.

So the Term Recongnition window is definitely no better than it was back in 2007. Unfortunately! So where's the priority here?

The only thing I have to reproach myself for is that I haven't found the time to write down all the grievances and document them clearly here in the forum

But I have often spoken to Trados employees about this and hoped for every update, only to be disappointed every time.

If "term management is better now than it ever was back then", than all credit goes to Gerhard Kordmann and his Glossary Converter.

Me I am not talking about Studio MultiTerm itself, but about the Term Recongnition Window.

Best regards

Burim

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Burim Bektesi 14 days ago in reply to Burim Bektesi
Screenshot of Trados Studio Ideas Editor with a warning for multiple file handling and a terminology recognition error highlighted in the translation segment.

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Adam Warren
Adam Warren 15 days ago
I think this feature ought to be incorporated alongside the listing of terms in the dedicated window: I find clicking on the term in that window to insert it is also very useful. A fair breeze to this suggestion. With kind regards.

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+1
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Olivier
Olivier 15 days ago in reply to Adam Warren
Maybe the whole list of terms in the term recognition panel could remain as it is now, but clicking on a term in the source segment could scroll the list to the desired term.

Vote Up
+2
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Burim Bektesi
Burim Bektesi 15 days ago
I have been fighting for years for the Term Recognition Window to finally arrive in modern times. But unfortunately it still remains the same as in TagEditor from 2007 and earlier. Absolutely incomprehensible. But I have given up.

Vote Up
+1
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Olivier
Olivier 15 days ago in reply to Burim Bektesi
Disappointed Apparently term management is not a priority... That's a pity.

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Adam Warren
Adam Warren 8 days ago
I think it impolitic to savage a hard-pressed contributor's suggestion, since the plea stems from his need.

Regarding TagEditor, I have kept my Trados 2007 software active precisely because of the virtues of TagEditor: it cuts its way through parts lists like a hot knife through butter, and handles footnotes as to the manner born. I have a dummy TM in Workbench format for these uses, without prejudice to my cherished 2022 Studio.

Sorry to bung all this stuff at you, Dear Colleagues, but it endorses a heartfelt wish.

I would venture to add that it is high time to launch a beta 64-bit Studio version for us to cut our teeth on.

With kind regards to you all, including the development team, and Alison Slight smile!

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Alison Field
Alison Field 7 days ago
Hi all,

I have deleted everything I wrote because it seems to be upsetting so many people.

In all my years beta testing since Studio and MultiTerm were first created and before, I don't remember angering anyone before.

BTW I don't work for RWS, I'm just a user who happens to be fortunate enough to have had no problems in all these years that I couldn't resolve with or without help.

All the best to all

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Olivier
Olivier 2 hours ago in reply to Alison Field
Dear Alison,

It would have been nice to ask before "deleting evertyhing". There were interesting ideas in my suggestions and we could all have edited our thread to soften our discussion and leaving the good ideas for reference...

Have a nice day.

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Alison Field
Alison Field 23 minutes ago in reply to Olivier
Hi Olivier,

I just wanted to defuse the situation because someone described it as a 'battle' which horrified me.

My intention was only to remove what I had written. Did some of your comments disappear also? If so, I'm sorry. I must have omitted to untick 'Delete Children'. Oh dear.

Maybe Paul could restore your comments?

All the best,

Ali Smiley

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Olivier
Olivier 15 minutes ago in reply to Alison Field
No worries. My previous posts need to be edited anyway. I'll rewrite something simple, factual and neutral so that the elements I added to detail my idea are not lost.

Alll the best,

Olivier

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Alison Field
Alison Field 12 minutes ago in reply to Olivier
Hi again Olivier

Thank you for being so understanding!

I hadn't noticed that your very long post/s disappeared. I know it must have taken you a long time to write, I feel awful for accidentally deleting it... Maybe someone still has the email with your contribution in it?

Anybody? Burim Bektesi Adam Warren

All the best,

Ali Slight smile"

Olivier  Adam Warren Alison Field Burim Bektesi 

Would it be fair to summarise all of this into something useful like this?  Is anything missing?

• Instant Term Display: Reinstate the feature allowing users to click on a term highlighted with a red line to display only that term in the termbase recognition panel, rather than all terms in the segment.

• Segment Scroll Feature: Implement a feature where clicking on a term in the source segment automatically scrolls the term recognition panel to the selected term, improving navigation and efficiency.

• Enhanced Term Information Display: Improve the display of term information by ensuring that text wraps properly instead of being displayed in a single, long line, and preventing tooltips with term details from disappearing too quickly.

• Image Display in Termbase Window: Enhance the visibility of images in the termbase window by increasing the size and clarity of images to make them more useful and recognizable.

• Consistency in Term Display: Address inconsistencies where terms are sometimes displayed in one segment but not in another, ensuring reliable term recognition across all segments.

• Beta Testing for Community Feedback: Initiate a beta version of the software to allow users to test and provide feedback on new features and improvements before full release, fostering a more user-centric development process.

This would be a great start! Perfect summary! Thnx. If hovering over the red line would make a window appear at that place showing all the information and images, that would be a dream.

Thank you Paul  - you're an angel 

Burim Bektesi 

"If hovering over the red line would make a window appear"

I am wary of windows that pop up when I hover over something. Before you know it you can't select what you wanted to because some pop-up window is in your way.

For example, how would I select “H559” in the segment below if every red line would open a window when the mouse hovers over it?

Paul's idea of only displaying matches for the selected term in the term recognition window would be a cool feature indeed.

Olivier  Adam Warren Burim Bektesi Daniel Hug 

Thanks Adam

You didn't include Olivier's longer post.

However, Olivier, I have found a copy of it that I didn't know I'd made. Would you like me to post it here or to send it to you privately, so you can use it to post again?

All the best,

Ali