Вячеслав Юрков 

It does help to provide proper examples because otherwise anyone willing to help may waste their time, and you'll waste yours if the answer doesn't address your actual question.  It also helps to get more answers because without an example anyone willing has to try and create one before answering.

So here's my, possible unhelpful response, it works on my machine!

Вячеслав Юрков 

It does help to provide proper examples because otherwise anyone willing to help may waste their time, and you'll waste yours if the answer doesn't address your actual question.  It also helps to get more answers because without an example anyone willing has to try and create one before answering.

So here's my, possible unhelpful response, it works on my machine!

Hello, mr Paul! 

I really appreciate your answer though really unhelpful ))) But sometimes a single word is worth a lot!

I"ve thought it over this night and this morning and finally found some key fo my situation.

The matter is that sometimes my "terms" are not really terms - they are not in a formula "one word - one word" as in your sample, sometimes they are "three words - two words" and like that. The reason is that I try to save some sort of short established phrases such as:

• "as amended" - "с учетом изменений";
• "avowedly" - "по общему мнению", "открыто", "прямо";
• "payable" - "подлежащий оплате", "причитающийся";
• "ipso facto" - "в силу самого факта".

So this is examples from my Excel spreadsheet converted into TermBase and which works very well if not one peculiarity. And now it seems to me I have finally discerned what works wrong, namely the following.

As I've already said if all these "terms" appear in the middle of the sentence - Trados see it; if they appear in the beginning - Trados doen not see it.

But sometimes it nevertheless works and I broke my brains trying to figure it out.

After jogging this morning I guess the answer has come to me...

The real crux is as follows: if my "term" begins with some very short word (mostly prepositions) such as "c...." ("с учетом изменений") or "по..." ("по общему мнению"r "в..." ("в силу самого факта"), ets. - then this unexplained problem appears:

Examples:

So I think I must confess all my sins so to say "I should not have inserted those strange frases into TermBase" and so on...

But the strange fact still remains: if all those phrases appears "in between" the sentence Trados "see" them all properly. So why not to use it if it really works?

So the real rub here is some "upper-case unvisibility" of short words as in my examples, and the roots of it must go - as far as I can imagine - right in the programme code. There must be some restriction in this regard, although without any sense...

Well I decided that I can live with it, though it would be much better not to encounter such situations (but they will).

Once again, Mr. Paul, thank your for participation!

I finally unburden my heart and will live with the knowledge of this absurd programme's feature ))).

Terms must be terms...

Вячеслав Юрков 

Why don't you do this:

1. create a small termbase with the appropriate terms in there
2. create a small source file that allows me to test your case
3. zip them up and attach them to your reply

Then I'll happily engage with you.  I'm not going to spend more time trying to make up what you already have.

Dear Mr Paul, I think that is not worth making all those exercises and engagements which you respectfully propose to do.

The problem seems to me quite clear in the code (or some formats designated for TermBase or hell knows what else...). It's obvious that this feature (Termbase) was not created for long phrases with prepositions. Originally the formula for termbase is "one word - one word".

The way out from this is - as I see it now - just to duplicate the russian phrases which contain short prepositions: once - with small letter, and once again (with delimiter in between) - with majuscule. It results with Trados finally see them all - in the middle and in the beginning of a sentence.

That's finally a resolution i've come to.

All my termbase is now remastered in this way so I'm unable (and unwilling) to re-re-master them to engage further you on top of it all )))

Little tedious but that's fine )))

examples:

English word "avowedly" has three variants of translation in my termbase: "по общему признанию | прямо | открыто" (symbol of vertical pipe is a delimiter).

If this phrase appears in the very beginning of a sentence then Trados wil not see it.

So I added the fourth synonyme (virtually the same but with majuscule in the beginning of the preposition) in this way: "По общему признанию | по общему признанию | прямо | открыто"; now Trados see it. Happily.

The other words are remastered in the same way. For example, the latin phrase "ipso factum" now looks like "В силу самого факта | в силу самого факта".

Now I'm sure that my term will not fall out weather it appears in the beginning of a sentence or in the middle of it.

Stupid resolution of a stupid problem. But there are no tasks ever existing which Bolsheviks could not overcome )))

Sincerely!

And once again - all this trouble concerns only situations when there is a phrase which starts with some short preposition (c, под, в, на, из-под и т.д.).

So if there is a phrase (whatever long it can be) which does not contain any short preposition then there will be no problem with it.

for ex.: "payable" - "подлежащий оплате" also consists of two words but nevertheless it will be seen regardless to where it appears: whether in the beginning or in the middle or even in the ent of a phrase. 

But it's only worth to happen that russian equivalent begins with short preposition and appears in the source text in the beginning of a segment then hereinabove drollery of Trados begins...

Finally I've made rar-archive of my examples. Why not. Let it be visible.

But I don't see where to drop/send it?

Вячеслав Юрков 

Use the insert menu:

Then upload the archive: