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Machine translation (TMX file) not inserted during translation (Studio 2017)

William Setters

 Hello everyone,

This morning I installed Studio 2017 on my workstation (pre-production testing). We currently use Studio 2014.

 

Everything seems great, except that I can't seem to get machine translation working as it did in 2014. Normal matches from our translation memories are inserted, but when there aren't any, the machine translation isn't inserted (or displayed in results). Studio switches straight to the Fragment Matches window).

I can, however, find the machine translated context in the concordance search.

I have tried re-upgrading the TMX files using Studio 2017 (the previous upgrade was done using 2014), but to no avail.

 

I suspect this is probably linked to the implementation of fragment searching, and that there's probably an option somewhere that I can fiddle with. But so far, no luck. Has anyone encountered this issue?

 

Thanks,

Will
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    Update: I've worked around it by changing the TU creator so that the segment is no longer recognized as automated translation content. But I suspect there's a "proper" way of doing it!
  • 0 in reply to William Setters
    Hi William,

    I suspect (have not tested) that this behaviour of saving the status AT in your TM doesn't happen anymore so this may be a problem linked to 2014. So your workaround is probably the best one. You could probably export to TMX and upgrade again as the AT status won't be retained in the TMX and that may do the trick too.

    However, I'm also a little confused by your question because you seem to be expecting Machine Translation results and yet you are finding them in your TM? So do we need to answer the question on how to get Machine Translation inserted or not?

    Regards

    Paul

    Paul Filkin | RWS Group

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  • 0 in reply to Paul
    Hi Paul,

    Thanks for your answer. The workaround works as a makeshift fix for me, but I can't really get colleagues who don't know what a text editor is to go fiddling around with a TMX each time they use MT... What's particularly interesting is that while the MT segments may not be recognized as machine translation by Studio, they aren't inserted as "human" translations either, which seems weird to me!

    The machine translated content is indeed available by TMX. It's Moses output provided by the Commission's MT@EC system which emails the translator a TMX to add to their project. In Studio 2014, the segments are picked up and recognized as machine translation by Studio, which is very handy... (I don't think the problem here is 2014, as I tried recreating the Studio TM from the initial TMX, which made no difference.

    Best regards,
    Will
  • 0 in reply to William Setters
    You can try to import the TMX file into xBench. Just import it and export it under a different name. No special settings, don't remove dublicates. I regulary use this method with TMX files producing problems. The result is normally a TMX file that is smaller (just in size, not in the number of segments) and that is easily imported into Studio.

    Best regards
    Siegfried
  • 0 in reply to William Setters
    I would be interesting to see a small example of the TMX content.
    As per Siegfried's comment it seems it may be some 'intrestingly formatted' TMX...
  • 0 in reply to Evzen Polenka

    I don't have (and can't install) xBench, unfortunately...

     

    I can't share yesterday's file, but I've created a new one (same issue) with the least sensitive text imaginable (I wanted to add attachments, but it doesn't seem possible. Sorry for the wordy post!)...

     

    Text:

    Nos relations avec les Tuvalu, qui restent modestes, se développent progressivement. Elles peuvent s’appuyer sur la proximité géographique de la collectivité d’outre-mer de Wallis-et-Futuna qui a permis la signature le 16 septembre 2015, à Suva (Fidji), d’un accord relatif à la délimitation des zones maritimes dans la zone Pacifique entre nos deux pays. Les documents signés représentent une volonté forte de préserver les ressources de la
    surexploitation et du trafic illicite.

    En matière de gestion des catastrophes naturelles, une aide d’urgence a été envoyée à la suite des inondations catastrophiques provoquées par le cyclone Pam en mars 2015 (deux tonnes de fret humanitaire transportées depuis la Nouvelle-Calédonie par un avion Casa des Forces armées françaises).

    Le Premier ministre, M. Enela Sopoaga, était présent à Paris pour la COP 21 (30 novembre 2015) et pour le IVe Sommet France-Océanie (26 novembre 2015). Il a également participé au Dialogue de haut niveau sur le changement climatique présidé par le Président de la République au siège de la Communauté du Pacifique à Nouméa (17 novembre 2014).

    La délégation du groupe d’amitié du Sénat avec les îles du Pacifique, conduite par Mme Catherine Procaccia, présidente du groupe, s’est rendue aux Tuvalu du 13 au 15 septembre 2016.

     TMX:

    <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-16LE"?>
    <!DOCTYPE tmx SYSTEM "tmx14.dtd">
    <tmx version="1.4">
       <header creationtool="Okapi Tikal" creationtoolversion="2.0.25" segtype="sentence"
               o-tmf="TW4Win 2.0 Format"
               adminlang="EN-GB"
               srclang="FR-FR"
               datatype="PlainText">
          <note>tmx file from machine translation</note>
       </header>
       <body>
          <tu creationid="MT!">
             <tuv xml:lang="FR-FR">
                <seg>Nos relations avec les Tuvalu, qui restent modestes, se développent progressivement.</seg>
             </tuv>
             <tuv xml:lang="EN-GB">
                <seg>Our relations with Tuvalu, which remains modest, progressively being developed.</seg>
             </tuv>
          </tu>
          <tu creationid="MT!">
             <tuv xml:lang="FR-FR">
                <seg>Elles peuvent s’appuyer sur la proximité géographique de la collectivité d’outre-mer de Wallis-et-Futuna qui a permis la signature le 16 septembre 2015, à Suva (Fidji), d’un accord relatif à la délimitation des zones maritimes dans la zone Pacifique entre nos deux pays.</seg>
             </tuv>
             <tuv xml:lang="EN-GB">
                <seg>They may build on the geographical proximity of the overseas collectivity of Wallis and Futuna and allowed for the signature on 16 September 2015 in Suva (Fiji), an agreement relating to the delimitation of maritime zones in the Pacific area between the two countries.</seg>
             </tuv>
          </tu>
          <tu creationid="MT!">
             <tuv xml:lang="FR-FR">
                <seg>Les documents signés représentent une volonté forte de préserver les ressources de la surexploitation et du trafic illicite.</seg>
             </tuv>
             <tuv xml:lang="EN-GB">
                <seg>The signed documents represent a strong will to preserve the resources of lasurexploitation and illicit trafficking.</seg>
             </tuv>
          </tu>
          <tu creationid="MT!">
             <tuv xml:lang="FR-FR">
                <seg>En matière de gestion des catastrophes naturelles, une aide d’urgence a été envoyée à la suite des inondations catastrophiques provoquées par le cyclone Pam en mars 2015 (deux tonnes de fret humanitaire transportées depuis la Nouvelle-Calédonie par un avion Casa des Forces armées françaises).</seg>
             </tuv>
             <tuv xml:lang="EN-GB">
                <seg>Management of natural disasters, emergency assistance was sent to the flooding disaster caused by Cyclone Pam in March 2015 (two tonnes of humanitarian cargo transported from New Caledonia by an aeroplane Casa the French forces).</seg>
             </tuv>
          </tu>
          <tu creationid="MT!">
             <tuv xml:lang="FR-FR">
                <seg>Le Premier ministre, M. Enela Sopoaga, était présent à Paris pour la COP 21 (30 novembre 2015) et pour le IVe Sommet France-Océanie (26 novembre 2015).</seg>
             </tuv>
             <tuv xml:lang="EN-GB">
                <seg>The Prime Minister, Mr ENELA Sopoaga, was present for the COP 21 in Paris (30 November 2015) and for the Fourth France-Océanie Summit (26 November 2015).</seg>
             </tuv>
          </tu>
          <tu creationid="MT!">
             <tuv xml:lang="FR-FR">
                <seg>Il a également participé au Dialogue de haut niveau sur le changement climatique présidé par le Président de la République au siège de la Communauté du Pacifique à Nouméa (17 novembre 2014).</seg>
             </tuv>
             <tuv xml:lang="EN-GB">
                <seg>He also participated in the High Level Dialogue on Climate Change, chaired by the President of the Republic at the headquarters of the Pacific Community Nouméa (17 November 2014).</seg>
             </tuv>
          </tu>
          <tu creationid="MT!">
             <tuv xml:lang="FR-FR">
                <seg>La délégation du groupe d’amitié du Sénat avec les îles du Pacifique, conduite par Mme Catherine Procaccia, présidente du groupe, s’est rendue aux Tuvalu du 13 au 15 septembre 2016.</seg>
             </tuv>
             <tuv xml:lang="EN-GB">
                <seg>The delegation of the Friendship Group of the Senate with Pacific Islands, led by Ms Catherine Procaccia, Chair of the Group, visited Tuvalu from 13 to 15 September 2016.</seg>
             </tuv>
          </tu>
          <tu creationid="MT!">
             <tuv xml:lang="FR-FR">
                <seg>14.0000</seg>
             </tuv>
             <tuv xml:lang="EN-GB">
                <seg>14.0000</seg>
             </tuv>
          </tu>
          <tu creationid="MT!">
             <tuv xml:lang="FR-FR">
                <seg>M.A.E.E</seg>
             </tuv>
             <tuv xml:lang="EN-GB">
                <seg>M.A.E.E</seg>
             </tuv>
          </tu>
          <tu creationid="MT!">
             <tuv xml:lang="FR-FR">
                <seg>0</seg>
             </tuv>
             <tuv xml:lang="EN-GB">
                <seg>0</seg>
             </tuv>
          </tu>
          <tu creationid="MT!">
             <tuv xml:lang="FR-FR">
                <seg>false</seg>
             </tuv>
             <tuv xml:lang="EN-GB">
                <seg>false</seg>
             </tuv>
          </tu>
          <tu creationid="MT!">
             <tuv xml:lang="FR-FR">
                <seg>false</seg>
             </tuv>
             <tuv xml:lang="EN-GB">
                <seg>false</seg>
             </tuv>
          </tu>
          <tu creationid="MT!">
             <tuv xml:lang="FR-FR">
                <seg>false</seg>
             </tuv>
             <tuv xml:lang="EN-GB">
                <seg>false</seg>
             </tuv>
          </tu>
          <tu creationid="MT!">
             <tuv xml:lang="FR-FR">
                <seg>false</seg>
             </tuv>
             <tuv xml:lang="EN-GB">
                <seg>false</seg>
             </tuv>
          </tu>
       </body>
    </tmx>
  • 0 in reply to William Setters
    Hi Will,

    You could also use SDLTMConvert as this allows you to change the creation settings without having to edit a TMX in a text editor.

    appstore.sdl.com/.../

    Regards

    Paul

    Paul Filkin | RWS Group

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  • 0 in reply to William Setters

    Hi Will,

    I can't reproduce this problem.  I created a short video so you can see what I'm doing and perhaps this will help you explain what I need to do in order to understand the issue properly.

    Paul Filkin | RWS Group

    ________________________
    Design your own training!
    You've done the courses and still need to go a little further, or still not clear? 
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  • 0 in reply to Paul
    Hi again Paul,

    Thanks for this. Your inability to reproduce the problem actually gave me an idea, which seems to have sorted the problem (though I don't strictly know why). I created a fresh project (instead of using an existing one as I was earlier) in Studio 2017, and it worked perfectly...

    Thank you everyone for your help!
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