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Setting up an custom XML file type with legacy embedded content processor

Daniel Hug

I have been using the Embedded Content Processors (ECPs) until now, because they are so fast and easy to set up.

The drawback is that it severely limits context information. I submitted an idea, bet we'd need a few more upvotes for it: https://community.sdl.com/ideas/translation-productivity-ideas/i/trados-studio-ideas/enable-more-document-structure-information-when-using-the-embedded-content-processor

For the time being, I want to set up an XML file type with legacy embedded content processor, and I have a few wonderments as to what is possible and how.

a) Is there a way to get into the DSI that a segment is (part of) a list item? I really like that feature with the ECPs, and I can't get the legacy method to do that for me. I guess I'd have to set it up as a parser rule? But how?

b) I can't get the legacy processor to do anything based on my custom Contexts (document structure), I have to assign an additional pre-defined document structure. "Extract all paragraphs" does not work either:

Trados Studio interface showing a warning message about the legacy embedded content processor not recognizing custom contexts in an XML file type setup.

Is that a feature or a bug?

Here's a small sample file:

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Thanks to everybody who can contribute!

Daniel

PS: I am using the latest version of Studio 2021.

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  • 0

    Update: I found this article http://multifarious.filkin.com/2013/07/30/xpath/, which is wonderful, but the way XPATH is used for HTML tags does not work if the HTML is escaped.
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    Dear forum participants,

    Allow me to continue my solitary thoughts here (any contributors welcome).

    I can do one of three things:

    1. Unescape the HTML in the source elements in a pre-processing step, which produces a technically incorrect XML file, but I can use the parser to deal with the HTML elements and attributes. It's a bit of work to set up, but I think the result will be like using the XML file type with embedded content processor, plus I can use previews and get DSI that is actually usable. (At the end of this workflow I re-escape the HTML in the source elements again, of course.)
      My hesitation is that producing an incorrect XML file might cause problems down the line I can't forsee yet. 
    2. Work with the embedded content as normal for this file type - but that is terrible because HTML entities like &ndash; and all German umlauts have to be transformed into tags, which is not acceptable.
    3. Abandon the XML with legacy embedded content file type and use the normal XML ECP again. Quick setup, but no proper DSI and no previews (XML2 has been flaky for my recently).

    Any input, any experiences from forum members?

    Daniel
  • 0 in reply to Daniel Hug

    Have you tried to play with the entity conversion settings both for xml and html parser? I have seen such problems with entities appearing in the target, so we deactivated all the conversions both in xml and html parser (I mean really all) and the result was as needed. If you did not yet try, it is really worth to do so.

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  • 0 in reply to Jerzy Czopik

    Yes, quite a bit, with surprising results.

    For the legacy file type, turning it on does not have much of an effect as all entities are escaped (e.g. &amp;ndash;) and won't be converted. I have to convert them to tags using the embedded content processing rules. If I unescape the HTML, the entity conversion does a clean job.

    For XML2 - surprise! - there is no embedded content processing at all unless I activate entity conversion in the xml file type. I must say I've had quite some problems with that file type (XML2) and I will discontinue using it - I have to.

    For XML with embedded content processing (ECP) this is the least-hassle file type and I had no problems with entity conversion. Problems arise with the CMS not being able to handle all HTML entities, so I have to be selective what I allow to be converted.

    Daniel
  • 0 in reply to Daniel Hug

    may be able to offer some advice here as he knows these Filetypes better than anyone.

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  • 0 in reply to Daniel Hug
    Unknown said:
    For the legacy file type, turning it on does not have much of an effect as all entities are escaped (e.g. &amp;ndash;) and won't be converted.

    Hi,

    can you please clarify what exactly doesn't work?

    Also, I would advise playing with the XML 2 filter - this will be very soon only XML filter we will have, we pushed the XML 2 as replacement, it's used already and so far we received very little issues reported, so I'm curious what other issues you have with it, and why did you not report them earlier?
  • 0 in reply to Patrik Mazanek

    ,

    Thanks for joining this thread.

    I only started using XML2 recently, and there is a lot I have not used yet. You will understand that I use Studio for production, not mainly for testing. That is also the reason why I did not report everything immediately - I am paid for providing translations and working around a problem is in most cases less time-consuming than reporting it with all the information necessary for it to be useful. The reality is that sometimes there is time to report problems and at other times, there is simply no time.

    I encountered three issues when using the XML2 file type. (Studio 2021, most recent version, same with MultiTerm)

    1) When “Enable entity conversion” in the file type (File types > Specific XML file type > Entities) is unchecked, embedded content is not processed. This was (and is) not the behavior of the XML (Embedded Content) file type:

    Screenshot of Trados Studio showing unchecked 'Enable entity conversion' option with a note explaining embedded content is not processed, highlighted with red circles and arrows.

    I created a comparable file type based on the "old" XML with embedded content file type, and the entity conversion setting does not influence whether the ECP is used or not:

    Screenshot of Trados Studio with 'Enable entity conversion' unchecked in XML2 file type settings, indicating that embedded content is not affected, highlighted with red circles and blue annotations.

    The reason not to use the entity conversion is that Studio will convert characters into entities that our CMS will not always recognize, thus it is safer to leave it off.

    2) Right single quotation marks are not displayed correctly. This is a really odd one. It occurred as soon as I started using XML2, I think already with Studio 2019. I thought I was making a mistake, but this is very clearly a bug. In the source file, this character is the unicode 2019 character, not &rsquo;

    Screenshot of Trados Studio displaying a bug with right single quotation marks not shown correctly, with annotations explaining the issue and highlighting the error in red.

    3) I noticed a somewhat erratic behavior when choosing the Embedded Content Processor.(File type -> embedded content processing) I can't reproduce this and I don't remember it being systematic enough for it to be obvious what action triggers what result. It happened when trying to use several ECPs for different parser rules. If it happens again I will record it.

    In general, on processing XML with embedded content:

    If I understand the Embedded Content Processors (ECPs) correctly, they extract the parsed text and un-escape the five characters &gt; &lt; &amp; &quot; &039; then hand it over to the specified ECP, which is basically a file type. In this process, all context information is removed, unfortunately. (I posted an idea to help this, but nothing forthcoming, maybe not enough users are using XML? Hard to imagine that I am the only one struggling with this, but support for the idea is slim: https://community.sdl.com/ideas/translation-productivity-ideas/i/trados-studio-ideas/enable-more-document-structure-information-when-using-the-embedded-content-processor)

    I could do the unescaping myself while pre-processing the XML and handle the HTML content with parser rules instead of treating it as embedded content. This way, I would have access to context information AND I would be able to use preview and style sheets.

    Will I run into problems when escaping <, >, &, " and ' when I post-process the file?

    Daniel
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  • 0 in reply to Daniel Hug

    Could you please send me (pmazanek@sdl.com) exported XML filter settings and embedded processor settings? I will look into it and get back to you.
  • 0 in reply to Patrik Mazanek

    Thanks to for helping out.

    I want to summarize our findings here in the forum:

    The problem with the unicode character U+2019: File was encoded UTF-8, but SDL uses a third party service to determine file encoding, which determined that the file in question was US-ASCII encoded. I can't remember this ever happened with the older XML file type.

    Remedy: Using UTF-8-BOM solves the problem, so does declaring the encoding as in <?xml version = "1.0" encoding = "UTF-8" standalone = "no" ?> as first line of the file.

    The problem with "enable entity conversion: While the old XML with embedded content processor file type converted the five default XML characters independent of the "enable entity conversion" setting (it used the "Advanced" settings, which were active regardless), XML2 will not convert any encoded characters if the box is unchecked.

    The issue of displaying context (what gave rise to this thread initially) was not touched in our discussion, but it was very clarifying regarding the above points.

    Daniel