Hi Dai Yabashi ,

Thank you for the above screen prints.

I have tried to reproduce the same using simple flow such as exporting a TM with custom fields into a TMX format and importing it back. Unfortunately I could not reproduce this either in Studio 2021 SR2 -- 16.2.10.9305 or higher versions.

So my question is this a general issue that you're see this happening with all your TMs or with only specific ones? 

How do you use the export-import, using the options in the Translation Memories view, out of the box? Or are you perhaps using a plugin for this?

Regards,

Hi Oana,

Thanks for your help. 

I have not seen the problem in every file. In a number of tries I couldn't reproduce it in small files (< 2M). On the other hand, it may not always be immediately noticeable (e.g., here and there the number of items in a list is reduced by 1).

It was my understanding that import-export has been moved out of Trados and into a plugin. I have Trados Translation Memory Management Utility installed, and I assume that is what is handling the conversions. The procedure I'm using is as follows.

Export to TMX: Translation Memories view > Click Export in ribbon > browse to folder, specify filename > Finish (checkbox not checked)

Import to SDLTM: Translation Memories view > click Upgrade Translation Memories icon on ribbon > Add File-based TMs > select TMX file > Finish

Here is some more detail on what happened in an affected file I examined today. The segment I picked as an example started with 14 items in the custom field, and that decreased to 5 after a couple round trips.

14 values in the original TM
14 in the TMX from that
7 in the TM from that
7 in the TMX from that
5 in the TM from that

This seems to show that the problem occurs during import (TMX → SDLTM conversion).

I don't know to what extent our format is common, but in the body of the TMX there is what appears to be a master list of values (<prop type="x-Sensor:MultiplePicklist">), and then in each <tu> that same tag is repeated for each value occurring in the segment. The master list lost one value in the roundtripping above, and of course in the segment itself the list of items went from 14 to 5. I haven't seen any pattern in what goes missing.

Fritz Knobloch (standing in for Dai Yabashi)

Hi Dai Yabashi Fritz,

Dai Yabashi said:

It was my understanding that import-export has been moved out of Trados and into a plugin.

Not necessarily! So while the plugin helps exporting to .tmx, remove duplicates or reverse the index, you can still use the out-of-the-box export/import options inside Studio, you can find them in the ribbon, here's the ribbon print screen with both options in the Translation Memories view:

So if you only tried using one, please check what happens if you use the other option, since you mention it happens only with some files.

I would also be interested to test this further if you can share the problematic files and let you know my findings?

Oana

Hi Oana,

Apologies for the delay. I was away for a couple of weeks and then busy catching up. As I mentioned, I haven't seen the problem in small files. In a large file where I do see it (importing with the Upgrade Translation Memories button), if I cut out most of the TUs the problem disappears.

I can send you a couple of sample files so you can see what's happening. I've replaced the TUs in a large TMX file (20,000+ TUs, 12.4 MB) with dummy data and anonymized the metadata. A smaller TMX file contains just the first 15 TUs from the larger one. How can I get the files to you?

Fritz

Hi Oana,

Apologies for the delay. I was away for a couple of weeks and then busy catching up. As I mentioned, I haven't seen the problem in small files. In a large file where I do see it (importing with the Upgrade Translation Memories button), if I cut out most of the TUs the problem disappears.

I can send you a couple of sample files so you can see what's happening. I've replaced the TUs in a large TMX file (20,000+ TUs, 12.4 MB) with dummy data and anonymized the metadata. A smaller TMX file contains just the first 15 TUs from the larger one. How can I get the files to you?

Fritz

Hi FritzDai Yabashi ,

I have sent you a PM so I can receive the files and be able to test them.

Thank you

Hi Oana,

Sorry, can you send another one? Yabashi-san received only auto-generated updates from noreply@community.rws.com. Checking around in the settings, I found that "Allow private messages from" was set to "Connections only." That has now been changed (since I couldn't figure out how to add you as a Connection).

Fritz