HI, another error message, this time with the first pretransalte task:

<SDLErrorDetails time="21.02.2024 10:58:30">
  <ErrorMessage>One or more errors occurred.</ErrorMessage>
  <Exception>
    <Type>System.AggregateException, mscorlib, Version=4.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b77a5c561934e089</Type>
    <HelpLink />
    <Source>mscorlib</Source>
    <HResult>-2146233088</HResult>
    <StackTrace><![CDATA[   at System.Threading.Tasks.Task.ThrowIfExceptional(Boolean includeTaskCanceledExceptions)
   at System.Threading.Tasks.Task`1.GetResultCore(Boolean waitCompletionNotification)
   at System.Threading.Tasks.Task`1.get_Result()
   at AIProfessional.Providers.TranslationProvider.AITranslationProviderLanguageDirection.SearchTranslationUnitsMasked(SearchSettings settings, TranslationUnit[] translationUnits, Boolean[] mask)
   at Sdl.LanguagePlatform.TranslationMemoryApi.Cascade`1.SearchTranslationUnitsMaskedCommand.Execute(T cascadeEntry, SearchSettings searchSettings)
   at Sdl.LanguagePlatform.TranslationMemoryApi.Cascade`1.ExecuteSearchCommand(SearchCommand`1 searchCommand, SearchSettings searchSettings, Int32 searchResultsCount, IEnumerable`1& cascadeMessages)]]></StackTrace>
    <InnerException>
      <Type>System.NullReferenceException, mscorlib, Version=4.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b77a5c561934e089</Type>
      <HelpLink />
      <Source>AIProfessional</Source>
      <HResult>-2147467261</HResult>
      <StackTrace><![CDATA[   at AIProfessional.Providers.TranslationProvider.AITranslationProviderLanguageDirection.<GetSearchResults>d__34.MoveNext()
--- End of stack trace from previous location where exception was thrown ---
   at System.Runtime.CompilerServices.TaskAwaiter.ThrowForNonSuccess(Task task)
   at System.Runtime.CompilerServices.TaskAwaiter.HandleNonSuccessAndDebuggerNotification(Task task)
   at System.Runtime.CompilerServices.TaskAwaiter`1.GetResult()
   at AIProfessional.Providers.TranslationProvider.AITranslationProviderLanguageDirection.<ProcessTasks>d__33.MoveNext()
--- End of stack trace from previous location where exception was thrown ---
   at System.Runtime.CompilerServices.TaskAwaiter.ThrowForNonSuccess(Task task)
   at System.Runtime.CompilerServices.TaskAwaiter.HandleNonSuccessAndDebuggerNotification(Task task)
   at System.Runtime.CompilerServices.TaskAwaiter`1.GetResult()
   at AIProfessional.Providers.TranslationProvider.AITranslationProviderLanguageDirection.<>c__DisplayClass32_0.<<SearchTranslationUnitsMasked>b__0>d.MoveNext()]]></StackTrace>
    </InnerException>
  </Exception>
  <Environment>
    <ProductName>Trados Studio</ProductName>
    <ProductVersion>Studio17</ProductVersion>
    <EntryAssemblyFileVersion>17.2.9.18688</EntryAssemblyFileVersion>
    <OperatingSystem>Microsoft Windows 11 Pro</OperatingSystem>
    <ServicePack>NULL</ServicePack>
    <OperatingSystemLanguage>1040</OperatingSystemLanguage>
    <CodePage>1252</CodePage>
    <LoggedOnUser>Laptop2022Win11\angelo.caltagirone</LoggedOnUser>
    <DotNetFrameWork>4.0.30319.42000</DotNetFrameWork>
    <ComputerName>LAPTOP2022WIN11</ComputerName>
    <ConnectedToNetwork>True</ConnectedToNetwork>
    <PhysicalMemory>33258180 MB</PhysicalMemory>
  </Environment>
</SDLErrorDetails>

If I repeat pre-translate files alone I do not get any error message.

EDIT: no, even now when I run the batch task alone I get the same error message, strange, normally ti works.

Regards, Angelo

Further Update: I got the errors when I run the batch tasks with two files. I run it on one file (I have still to check, if Pretranslate with AI Professional made any changes on the translations done by the ModernMT plugin) and it worked without any errors. Then I run the batch task on the second file and I got this error on the first task:

<SDLErrorDetails time="21.02.2024 11:21:30">
  <ErrorMessage>One or more errors occurred.</ErrorMessage>
  <Exception>
    <Type>System.AggregateException, mscorlib, Version=4.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b77a5c561934e089</Type>
    <HelpLink />
    <Source>mscorlib</Source>
    <HResult>-2146233088</HResult>
    <StackTrace><![CDATA[   at System.Threading.Tasks.Task.ThrowIfExceptional(Boolean includeTaskCanceledExceptions)
   at System.Threading.Tasks.Task`1.GetResultCore(Boolean waitCompletionNotification)
   at System.Threading.Tasks.Task`1.get_Result()
   at AIProfessional.Providers.TranslationProvider.AITranslationProviderLanguageDirection.SearchTranslationUnitsMasked(SearchSettings settings, TranslationUnit[] translationUnits, Boolean[] mask)
   at Sdl.LanguagePlatform.TranslationMemoryApi.Cascade`1.SearchTranslationUnitsMaskedCommand.Execute(T cascadeEntry, SearchSettings searchSettings)
   at Sdl.LanguagePlatform.TranslationMemoryApi.Cascade`1.ExecuteSearchCommand(SearchCommand`1 searchCommand, SearchSettings searchSettings, Int32 searchResultsCount, IEnumerable`1& cascadeMessages)]]></StackTrace>
    <InnerException>
      <Type>System.NullReferenceException, mscorlib, Version=4.0.0.0, Culture=neutral, PublicKeyToken=b77a5c561934e089</Type>
      <HelpLink />
      <Source>AIProfessional</Source>
      <HResult>-2147467261</HResult>
      <StackTrace><![CDATA[   at AIProfessional.Providers.TranslationProvider.AITranslationProviderLanguageDirection.<GetSearchResults>d__34.MoveNext()
--- End of stack trace from previous location where exception was thrown ---
   at System.Runtime.CompilerServices.TaskAwaiter.ThrowForNonSuccess(Task task)
   at System.Runtime.CompilerServices.TaskAwaiter.HandleNonSuccessAndDebuggerNotification(Task task)
   at System.Runtime.CompilerServices.TaskAwaiter`1.GetResult()
   at AIProfessional.Providers.TranslationProvider.AITranslationProviderLanguageDirection.<ProcessTasks>d__33.MoveNext()
--- End of stack trace from previous location where exception was thrown ---
   at System.Runtime.CompilerServices.TaskAwaiter.ThrowForNonSuccess(Task task)
   at System.Runtime.CompilerServices.TaskAwaiter.HandleNonSuccessAndDebuggerNotification(Task task)
   at System.Runtime.CompilerServices.TaskAwaiter`1.GetResult()
   at AIProfessional.Providers.TranslationProvider.AITranslationProviderLanguageDirection.<>c__DisplayClass32_0.<<SearchTranslationUnitsMasked>b__0>d.MoveNext()]]></StackTrace>
    </InnerException>
  </Exception>
  <Environment>
    <ProductName>Trados Studio</ProductName>
    <ProductVersion>Studio17</ProductVersion>
    <EntryAssemblyFileVersion>17.2.9.18688</EntryAssemblyFileVersion>
    <OperatingSystem>Microsoft Windows 11 Pro</OperatingSystem>
    <ServicePack>NULL</ServicePack>
    <OperatingSystemLanguage>1040</OperatingSystemLanguage>
    <CodePage>1252</CodePage>
    <LoggedOnUser>Laptop2022Win11\angelo.caltagirone</LoggedOnUser>
    <DotNetFrameWork>4.0.30319.42000</DotNetFrameWork>
    <ComputerName>LAPTOP2022WIN11</ComputerName>
    <ConnectedToNetwork>True</ConnectedToNetwork>
    <PhysicalMemory>33258180 MB</PhysicalMemory>
  </Environment>
</SDLErrorDetails>

I run the batcht task "Pretranslate files" alone and I got the same error. Then I deactivated AI Professional form the TM provider and I could pretranslate the file.

Hi Silvia Mandrioli 

Ehm, in order to understand better: you use AI Professional for translation and not for update a text already translated by MT?
Because I use ModernMT for pretranslation and after the pretranslation I use AI Professional to refine the translation using the terminology in the project (see video of Paul). So it is a different approach.

Settings:

The first batch task translates the text with ModernMT

The second refines the translated text on top of it using the terminology attached to the project. These are my settings:

I will try thought to run the task Pretranslate with AI Professional twice to see if there is an improvement.

Regards,

Angelo

Hi Paul I give up, it makes no sense. I tried everything you mentioned, it is not working, the batch task changes absolutely nothing. I tried with server based AND file based TB, nothing. I tried to run the batch task twice, as mentioned by Silvia Mandrioli(but she uses the plugin to translate and not to refine), nothing. I only managed to avoid the errors, maybe because the plugin was activated in the setting and/or the percentage was not identical to the one in the pretranslate settings. AI Professional does the magic, therefore it is not a problem with the connection to OpenAI, so I do not understand because it is not working with the batch task

It's costing me time and money, because everytime I run a batch task I have to pay OpenAI, even if it retrieves nothing.

I will stop testing it until somebody can come up with a solution. Unfortunately, being an app problem it is not supported by RWS technical support, therefore I cannot open a ticket about it.

Let me know, if you come up with other things I can test, maybe Patrick can help.

Thanks anyway and kind regards,

Angelo

Hi Angelo,

I have been following this thread with great interest, because it is the same case I am testing myself, with similar results. When using AI Companion to refine the translations from the editor, segment by segment, you can see changes - not all of them respect the terminology either, but ok.

What I haven't been able to achieve is to use AI Companion to refine the existing translation using batch tasks, either the segments translated by an NMT or just the source copied to the target. Same case: nothing changes when doing it with batch tasks.

I'm keeping an eye on this issue and I hope this interesting and powerful functionality evolves to be more usable.

Best regards,

Almudena

Angelo Caltagirone said:

Ehm, in order to understand better: you use AI Professional for translation and not for update a text already translated by MT?

Correct.

Angelo Caltagirone said:

The first batch task translates the text with ModernMT

The second refines the translated text on top of it using the terminology attached to the project.

I see. I do not use ModernMT, GPT usually does the trick for me.

And I do not see the point in asking for refinement, since it applies correctly the Style Guide (in the prompt) and the Glossary (in the .sdltm file).

Hi Silvia, a question for you about the prompt, style guide and the glossary: how many lines has your prompt? Are all the guide instructions in the style guide included in the prompt, only a few? How do you get the AI professional to apply the glossary through a translation memory? (you said, sdltm file)

Thanks in advance,

Almudena

Hi Almudena, I am glad to know, that I am not alone having this problem. In Paul's video everything is easy done, so I do not know why it is not working for us.

Best regards,

Angelo

The prompt is quite long (2131 characters). It doesn't actually have lines, because I saw that I can't go at the line no matter what I do, so it is basically written like this:

Translate the this text in *the style you want* style, using this set of rules: 1. *Rule number one*. 2. *Rule number two*. *(etc.)*… and I got 22 rules, some with examples in it, too.

If the plugin works correctly, and you have added your glossary to the project, it should use it, if you use the same setting as mine, so, if you ticked "Enable terminology-aware Translation Suggestions". But I have a termbase applied (.sdltb file) and I also converted that termbase with Glossary Converter into a translation memory (.sdltm).

But, again, at times it works, at times it doesn't. 

Hello Paul 

Just like you, I get an error message when trying to update my translation with terms from my glossary using AI Professional.

So I've checked what I would get directly in my file, and it turns out I get suggestions to replace terms with translated terms that are not in my glossary (see below).

But after watching your very instructive video, I got suddenly frightened: I'm a freelancer, so I have a freelance license for Studio. Am I then not able to use this feature in Studio, considering I cannot use Custom batch tasking?

Could this explain 1/ the error message and 2/ the errors in the suggested terms?

Please please tell me I misunderstood and simply misused the tool and will be able to benefit this great AI feature

 Thank you!

I tagged Angelo Caltagirone because he has, and still is, going through all kinds of "learnings" about how to work with this tool.  So for a quick answer to your question he probably has it to hand.

But having said all of this the next release that will come with Trados Studio 2024 is massively improved and far more reliable than the version you have right now.  It may be better to really engage with this plugin when it's released... very soon!

Aubeline Brandamir said:

I'm a freelancer, so I have a freelance license for Studio. Am I then not able to use this feature in Studio, considering I cannot use Custom batch tasking?

Just to answer this one... there is nothing to be concerned about.  You will be able to use it, but you'll just have to run two separate batch tasks, or one depending on what you're doing.  If you only use AI Professional to update the terminology and not pre-translate then you would not need to specifically enable the AI Professional provider.  Just use the batch task that pre-translates with AI Professional and it will only update your terminology:

So if you use other MT providers you would pre-translate with those first, and then run this task afterwards.  I don't really know how you're working so it's hard to provide an exhaustive reply.

So the custom batch task gives you the ability to combine different tasks in one go.  If you have FL as you do, then you just manually run them one after the other.

But if you still have problems, and it definitely can be tricky to get this right as we had to "bend the rules" in Studio under the hood to be able to achieve this feature in a plugin, then unless you are in a hurry I would wait for 2024 which is easier to work with.

But perhaps Angelo Caltagirone can share his thoughts on this?

Thank you, Paul for your speedy reply.

I still don't understand why it does not use my TB terms when running the 2 tasks (NMT pre-translation then AI refine task) one after the other.

I've rechecked my settings once more and can't figure out where the issue is.

We'll see if Angelo Caltagirone has any insights on this.

I'm really new to all this and I'm eager to learn more!

Thank you, Paul for your speedy reply.

I still don't understand why it does not use my TB terms when running the 2 tasks (NMT pre-translation then AI refine task) one after the other.

I've rechecked my settings once more and can't figure out where the issue is.

We'll see if Angelo Caltagirone has any insights on this.

I'm really new to all this and I'm eager to learn more!