Hi, Theodoros Kastanis !

I added this code sample in which I automatically create projects from different folders using a template and place them all, pretranslated, in a new location.

The way to use the app is by adding the following command line arguments when calling it:

.\PretranslateProjectsCreatedFromTemplateSample.exe "<pathToTemplate>" "<pathToFolderWithTranslatatableFiles>" ... "<pathToFolderWithTranslatatableFiles>" "<pathToWhereTheProjectsWillBeCreated>" "<numberOfTimesTheOperationWillBeDone>" "s"

You can add as many folders containing translatable files as you wish between the template path argument and the destination folder argument.

The issue is not reproducible in this sample anymore.

See if there's something different in the sample and add it to your code to test whether the issue still persists.

Hello Emanuel Albu ,

Thank you for taking the time to answer.

Unfortunately, the solution provided is really not a solution to the issue I am describing.

First of all, it is not feasible to create a new project from a template when dealing with clients (clients usually send packages or projects with specific settings which should not overruled).

Secondly, in your solution you do not run the batch tasks on a loop, which is where the issue lies; what you do is create projects on a loop.

Once again, the issue lies in running multiple pre-translate tasks on a project.

Please see this short code sample:

https://bitbucket.org/t_kastanis/trados21issues/src/master/

You can run the program with the following arguments in the command line:

.\Trados2021.exe <PathToTheSdlprojFile> <timesToRunPretranslate>

First, make a simple project manually with two or more files (NOT one) and add a simple TM file (it can even be empty), and then run the program.

Make sure you add a big number to <timesToRunPretranslate> (e.g. 30) and run the program many times consecutively.

Keep in mind, that running the “Pre-translate” task multiple times on an existing project is a key functionality to our workflow (and, I am guessing, other companies’ workflows). This means that this issue needs to be solved rather than patched with a workaround.

Looking forward to your answer.

Hello Theodoros Kastanis !

Unfortunately, it seems like a workaround will have to do for now.

We discovered a similar issue for another team recently, but we were unable to identify the root cause after a preliminary investigation. Until we have more concrete information, we recommend the following workaround.

Introduce a fail-safe action to automatically restart the process of running the project automation tasks when it discovers a failed attempt. This should open a new instance of the project and not use the same instance of the project with the failed attempt.

You can find a code sample for this here.

Hi Emanual,

Thank you for your response.

With great disappointment, I have to point out that neither this second solution provided works.
I am under the impression that the time required for the resolution of such a serious bug is not properly invested.

I am not quite sure if the code sample was supposed to be working as is, since I found some “bugs” that I had to fix in order to successfully run it.

Regardless of the procedure, the result is that once the task fails, it continues to fail and that the workaround doesn’t work.

Here is a screenshot of the output:

I will repeat myself and remind you that the fact that the same bug -referenced in a previous message of mine- was reported almost seven months ago and no resolution was found makes me very very nervous.

As you know, Trados is quite an expensive product, for which we (as a company) have purchased a large number of licenses. This alone is a good enough reason to merit complete resolution of an issue, especially when this issue is encountered in one of the most common -and important- batch tasks.

Until the full resolution of the bug, a workaround that works is mandatory.

I will be expecting an update.

Hi Theodoros Kastanis  thank you for your feedback and the sample project; appreciated.

Theodoros Kastanis said:

I am not quite sure if the code sample was supposed to be working as is, since I found some “bugs” that I had to fix in order to successfully run it.

Can you please create a PR with the bug fixes that you applied against the public project example on github that Emanuel Albu provided to you?  It isn't often that we get third-party developers wanting to get involved, contributing to the sample projects, with the objective of helping other developers in solving problems/ workarounds.

Theodoros Kastanis said:

I am under the impression that the time required for the resolution of such a serious bug is not properly investe

Although I understand your frustration in not having a solution or workaround to resolve this -> contrary to what you are suggesting, we have reorganized our priorities to review the problem you are reporting.

Theodoros Kastanis said:

I will repeat myself and remind you that the fact that the same bug -referenced in a previous message of mine- was reported almost seven months ago and no resolution was found makes me very very nervous.

We are reviewing the issue you have reported here, in these days.  Have you reported this same issue in another form on the community; pls add the link here for reference.

Theodoros Kastanis said:

Until the full resolution of the bug, a workaround that works is mandatory.

'Mandatory' might be a poor choice of wording here, unless you are ordering us to provide you with a workaround.  Are you ordering us to provide you with a workaround?

Let's recap to understand where we are:

1. We reviewed the problem that you presented, given the conditions you disclosed about your process.
2. We have been able to reproduce the problem in at least one occasion where the proposed solution by Emanuel Albu resolved the issue.
3. We presented this as a potential solution so that you could confirm if it resolves the problem on your system
4. You have reported that the proposed solution doesn't resolve the problem on your system.

Correct?

My Review:

I have taken time this evening to review this issue, using your sample project and confirm that I can reproduce the same issue you are reporting.  Sometimes it occurs once, other times all the time.  I don't see a work around for this without reviewing the abstract levels from the Trados Studio solution.

For now, I will escalate this issue to the Studio Team, but it might be that we pick this up and collaborate with the Studio team to resolve. We'll circle back to you once we have more concrete information.

+ Daniel Brockmann , Robert Cornea 

Reproducible on Trados Studio 2021 SR2+ and 2022

Tech Notes:

After reviewing the sample project that you provided above, I would recommend to include the execution of the batch task within an iteration of the project target languages, as follows:

var targetLanguages = studioProject.GetProjectInfo().TargetLanguages;
foreach (var targetLanguage in targetLanguages)
{
	var targetFiles = studioProject.GetTargetLanguageFiles(targetLanguage);
	var task = studioProject.RunAutomaticTask(
		targetFiles.GetIds(), AutomaticTaskTemplateIds.PreTranslateFiles);
	//[...]
}

Note: this will not solve the problem you have discovered, but will enable you to separate execution of the batch tasks by target language.

Hello Patrick Andrew Hartnett ,

Thank you very much for the time invested in this issue.

Patrick Andrew Hartnett said:

Can you please create a PR with the bug fixes that you applied against the public project example on github that Emanuel Albu provided to you?  It isn't often that we get third-party developers wanting to get involved, contributing to the sample projects, with the objective of helping other developers in solving problems/ workarounds.

I am not a software developer, whilst having a developing background. I will instruct my developers to “prettify” the code and upload it.

Patrick Andrew Hartnett said:

Although I understand your frustration in not having a solution or workaround to resolve this -> contrary to what you are suggesting, we have reorganized our priorities to review the problem you are reporting.

Thank you very much for your actions.

Patrick Andrew Hartnett said:

We are reviewing the issue you have reported here, in these days.  Have you reported this same issue in another form on the community; pls add the link here for reference.

The link has already been posted for reference purposes on one of my first replies.

Patrick Andrew Hartnett said:

'Mandatory' might be a poor choice of wording here, unless you are ordering us to provide you with a workaround.  Are you ordering us to provide you with a workaround?

I am indeed in no position to order you about anything, so please excuse my  poor choice of wording.

I am though in the position where the company where I work as a production manager has spent about 30.000 euros in May to upgrade to Trados 2021 - and over 70000 euros in the last 10 years or so for SDL now RWS products - and is losing money for the last two months because the upgraded product isn’t working as advertised.

Let me leave a note here and inform you that before the upgrade, Trados 2017 was working perfectly.

Patrick Andrew Hartnett said:

Let's recap to understand where we are:

1. We reviewed the problem that you presented, given the conditions you disclosed about your process.
2. We have been able to reproduce the problem in at least one occasion where the proposed solution by Emanuel Albu resolved the issue.
3. We presented this as a potential solution so that you could confirm if it resolves the problem on your system
4. You have reported that the proposed solution doesn't resolve the problem on your system.

1. Accurate.

2. Not accurate
The issue was never resolved, the proposed solution was not even applicable in this situation (didn’t run pre-translate in a loop). If more information is needed  everything is documented in the thread.

3. The solution is not relevant to the issue.

4. Please see 3

Patrick Andrew Hartnett said:

My Review:

I have taken time this evening to review this issue, using your sample project and confirm that I can reproduce the same issue you are reporting.  Sometimes it occurs once, other times all the time.  I don't see a work around for this without reviewing the abstract levels from the Trados Studio solution.

For now, I will escalate this issue to the Studio Team, but it might be that we pick this up and collaborate with the Studio team to resolve. We'll circle back to you once we have more concrete information.

+ Daniel Brockmann , Robert Cornea 

Reproducible on Trados Studio 2021 SR2+ and 2022

I am in no position to know the internal workings and procedures of RWS Trados and who does the technical support or if it is even outsourced. From my point of view everyone answering in this thread represents RWS Trados.

The facts are that there was a product upgrade purchased for a hefty amount of money, it isn’t working as promised and as a result we are losing money and time.
Please excuse my irritated tone, but we have been experiencing the results of the bug for over two months.

Patrick Andrew Hartnett said:

Tech Notes:

After reviewing the sample project that you provided above, I would recommend to include the execution of the batch task within an iteration of the project target languages, as follows:

Thank you for the recommendation, but in our case doesnt really help since the problem is encountered in single target language projects.

Finally, please let me inform you that I am not trying to pick a fight here.

I am reporting too to people whom I have convinced regarding the necessity to upgrade to Trados 2021 and since the upgrade I have been reporting back that Trados and all of our automations aren't working. I am sure you can understand my frustration.

Please inform me regarding the nexts steps and If there is another place where I should escalate the issue.

Hello Patrick Andrew Hartnett ,

Thank you very much for the time invested in this issue.

Patrick Andrew Hartnett said:

Can you please create a PR with the bug fixes that you applied against the public project example on github that Emanuel Albu provided to you?  It isn't often that we get third-party developers wanting to get involved, contributing to the sample projects, with the objective of helping other developers in solving problems/ workarounds.

I am not a software developer, whilst having a developing background. I will instruct my developers to “prettify” the code and upload it.

Patrick Andrew Hartnett said:

Although I understand your frustration in not having a solution or workaround to resolve this -> contrary to what you are suggesting, we have reorganized our priorities to review the problem you are reporting.

Thank you very much for your actions.

Patrick Andrew Hartnett said:

We are reviewing the issue you have reported here, in these days.  Have you reported this same issue in another form on the community; pls add the link here for reference.

The link has already been posted for reference purposes on one of my first replies.

Patrick Andrew Hartnett said:

'Mandatory' might be a poor choice of wording here, unless you are ordering us to provide you with a workaround.  Are you ordering us to provide you with a workaround?

I am indeed in no position to order you about anything, so please excuse my  poor choice of wording.

I am though in the position where the company where I work as a production manager has spent about 30.000 euros in May to upgrade to Trados 2021 - and over 70000 euros in the last 10 years or so for SDL now RWS products - and is losing money for the last two months because the upgraded product isn’t working as advertised.

Let me leave a note here and inform you that before the upgrade, Trados 2017 was working perfectly.

Patrick Andrew Hartnett said:

Let's recap to understand where we are:

1. We reviewed the problem that you presented, given the conditions you disclosed about your process.
2. We have been able to reproduce the problem in at least one occasion where the proposed solution by Emanuel Albu resolved the issue.
3. We presented this as a potential solution so that you could confirm if it resolves the problem on your system
4. You have reported that the proposed solution doesn't resolve the problem on your system.

1. Accurate.

2. Not accurate
The issue was never resolved, the proposed solution was not even applicable in this situation (didn’t run pre-translate in a loop). If more information is needed  everything is documented in the thread.

3. The solution is not relevant to the issue.

4. Please see 3

Patrick Andrew Hartnett said:

My Review:

I have taken time this evening to review this issue, using your sample project and confirm that I can reproduce the same issue you are reporting.  Sometimes it occurs once, other times all the time.  I don't see a work around for this without reviewing the abstract levels from the Trados Studio solution.

For now, I will escalate this issue to the Studio Team, but it might be that we pick this up and collaborate with the Studio team to resolve. We'll circle back to you once we have more concrete information.

+ Daniel Brockmann , Robert Cornea 

Reproducible on Trados Studio 2021 SR2+ and 2022

I am in no position to know the internal workings and procedures of RWS Trados and who does the technical support or if it is even outsourced. From my point of view everyone answering in this thread represents RWS Trados.

The facts are that there was a product upgrade purchased for a hefty amount of money, it isn’t working as promised and as a result we are losing money and time.
Please excuse my irritated tone, but we have been experiencing the results of the bug for over two months.

Patrick Andrew Hartnett said:

Tech Notes:

After reviewing the sample project that you provided above, I would recommend to include the execution of the batch task within an iteration of the project target languages, as follows:

Thank you for the recommendation, but in our case doesnt really help since the problem is encountered in single target language projects.

Finally, please let me inform you that I am not trying to pick a fight here.

I am reporting too to people whom I have convinced regarding the necessity to upgrade to Trados 2021 and since the upgrade I have been reporting back that Trados and all of our automations aren't working. I am sure you can understand my frustration.

Please inform me regarding the nexts steps and If there is another place where I should escalate the issue.

Hello everyone,

I hope you had a nice summer.

Do we have any news regarding the bug or the timeline of the fix?

Thank you in advance!

Lydia Simplicio 

Patrick Andrew Hartnett 

Paul 

Hello,

do we have any news?

Lydia Simplicio 

Patrick Andrew Hartnett 

Paul 

Hi Theodoros Kastanis , I don't have an update on this issue other than the studio team are reviewing it.

Adding Loredana Stoia to the thread.

Just as an update here for everyone, this was tracked as CRQ-30444 and was addressed in Studio 2022 SR1 CU7 and higher. Another robustness fix was done for Studio 2022 SR2 (in December 2023). So hopefully this has been addressed in the meantime.