Translation match failure (capitalised vs all caps)

Hi,

I wonder if anyone can explain this behaviour in Studio.

I have a one-word translation segment that I have translated like this:

In fact, that translation was a 96% match with an earlier one,

So far so good.

Then, a few segments later, I have to translate virtually the same one-word segment, only the source is all caps, but this time I get no match at all:

The odd thing is that I haven't experienced this behavior in any other segments with more or less the same conditions (different word, translation match is all caps, minus the full stop).

Anyone have a clue what could cause this?

Thanks in advance.

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Translation match failure (capitalised vs all caps) Hi, I wonder if anyone can explain this behaviour in Studio. I have a one-word translation segment that I have translated like this: https://community.rws.com/cfs-file/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/90/Screenshot-2018_2D00_06_2D00_20-20.31.11.JPG In fact, that translation was a 96% match with an earlier one, https://community.rws.com/cfs-file/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/90/Screenshot-2018_2D00_06_2D00_20-20.31.18.JPG So far so good. Then, a few segments later, I have to translate virtually the same one-word segment, only the source is all caps, but this time I get no match at all: https://community.rws.com/cfs-file/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/90/Screenshot-2018_2D00_06_2D00_20-20.34.02.JPG https://community.rws.com/cfs-file/__key/communityserver-discussions-components-files/90/Screenshot-2018_2D00_06_2D00_20-20.34.16.JPG The odd thing is that I haven't experienced this behavior in any other segments with more or less the same conditions (different word, translation match is all caps, minus the full stop). Anyone have a clue what could cause this? Thanks in advance.
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0 Alison Field over 7 years ago

Hi Robert Eric Carter

I can't reproduce this, it works correctly for me in both Studio 2017 and Studio 2019:

Sometimes match values are lower when there are background properties to the segment that are different to those of the TM entry. This doesn't usually mean the match isn't visible at all though.

I've looked through various settings to see if there was anything that could cause these symptoms but found nothing.

Any ideas, anyone?

Ali :)

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0 Paul over 7 years ago in reply to Alison Field

Hi Alison Field , Robert Eric Carter ,

I can't see any differences either and also don't know what might effect this... unless the minimum match value is above 91% (or similar)?

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0 Jerzy Czopik over 7 years ago in reply to Paul

Acronym recognition... It spoils in such situation, as words written in CAPITALS are treated by Studio as acronyms.
This can be quite dangerous, as when you translate CAUTION to UWAGA and then use BWM with its translation "BMW", it can autopropagate all CAPS words to your target by copying them from source - treating as acronyms. Of course this happens only, it autopropagation is set to overwrite existing translations, confirm them and not ask. But sometimes exactly this setting is necessary - for example when translating an Excel table with 200,000 words and 90% of repetitions there, paid at less then 10%...

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0 Paul over 7 years ago in reply to Jerzy Czopik

I don't follow you Jerzy Czopik ? How does that affect whether you even get a match or not?

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0 Jerzy Czopik over 7 years ago in reply to Paul

It does. Just try to switch the acronym recognition both in project and TM settings and test again. In my case I have the same behavior as described above. I think in case an acronym is recognized, there will be no search in TM, because it is "not necessary" - the segment does contain something not needing translation.

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0 Jerzy Czopik over 7 years ago in reply to Paul

It does. Just try to switch the acronym recognition both in project and TM settings and test again. In my case I have the same behavior as described above. I think in case an acronym is recognized, there will be no search in TM, because it is "not necessary" - the segment does contain something not needing translation.

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0 Paul over 7 years ago in reply to Jerzy Czopik

Nope... I can't reproduce this. If I start with a new TM, disable or enable acronym recognition then I still get fuzzies from the previous lowercase match.

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0 Jerzy Czopik over 7 years ago in reply to Paul

In the past I have been posting pictures of similar behavior. I cannot find them now, we're overloaded, but I will try to reproduce.

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0 Alison Field over 7 years ago in reply to Jerzy Czopik

Unknown said:
I think in case an acronym is recognized, there will be no search in TM, because it is "not necessary" - the segment does contain something not needing translation.

Ah, OK, I see what you're saying...

Robert Eric Carter can you check the settings I included in my last post and see if they're set the way Jerzy is suggesting?

All the best,

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0 Jerzy Czopik over 7 years ago in reply to Jerzy Czopik

Situation on my PC with acronym recognition off:

Same project, same TMs, same PC, but acronym recognition switched on:

Please note, that the correct translation "UWAGA" has been inserted in the segment previously, and as I realized this is the example I was looking for, I just switched acronym recognition on and returned to this segment.

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0 Naoko Jones over 7 years ago in reply to Jerzy Czopik

We happened to come across the exact same issue before.

In order to address this behavior, you need to go to the “Project Settings \ Language Pairs \ All Language Pairs \ Translation Memory and Automated Translation”, select the TM and click on settings. Once here:
- Go to the “Fields and Settings” sub-menu
- Disable the “Acronyms” option and press OK
- Re-select the same TM and go to the “Performance and Tuning” submenu
- Click on the “Re-index Translation Memory” button, wait for the TM to be re-indexed and press OK

You can now go back to the same segment you point out in your screenshot and you’ll see that the 100% match is there.

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0 Paul over 7 years ago in reply to Naoko Jones

Thanks Naoko Jones ,

I could not repro this because I had a clean TM and reindexing wasn't really necessary... although even with the clean TM I did it automatically when I changed the setting without even thinking this could be the reason.

@ Robert Eric Carter
I'd still be surprised if this is your issue because you are talking about no matches at all, but perhaps try reindexing your TM anyway in case it is causing your problem.

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0 Robert Eric Carter over 7 years ago in reply to Paul

Thank you all.

Jerzy Czopik was on the right track as far as "acronym recognition" goes, but Naoko Jones has suggested the exact setting that eliminates this behaviour.

I had already unticked the Acronyms box in the Auto-substitution settings, but the behavior persisted. In fact, prior to this, I was getting the results that Jerzy suggests, so I thought that might be the issue, and I unticked the Acronyms setting in Auto-substitution.

However, it was when I changed the settings as Naoko suggested here:

“Project Settings \ Language Pairs \ All Language Pairs \ Translation Memory and Automated Translation”, select the TM and click on settings. Once here:
- Go to the “Fields and Settings” sub-menu
- Disable the “Acronyms” option and press OK"

and, after reorganizing the TM, that Studio behaves normally again, giving me a 91% match that is automatically formatted in all caps.

So, thanks again you to all of you, particularly Naoko, that did the trick!

(I'm not sure of the etiquette on this forum. I posted this as a reply to the last post in the thread, but I don't know whether I should have posted it as a reply to Naoko instead.)

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0 Alison Field over 7 years ago in reply to Robert Eric Carter

Hi Robert,

So glad that between them, Jerzy and Naoko found the solution to your problem!

Replying to the last post is fine because you were speaking to all who have posted in this thread :)

All the best,
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0 Paul over 7 years ago in reply to Robert Eric Carter

Unknown said:
(I'm not sure of the etiquette on this forum. I posted this as a reply to the last post in the thread, but I don't know whether I should have posted it as a reply to Naoko instead.)

Hi Robert Eric Carter the important thing is you marked the correct answer as verified... this way anyone coming across a similar problem will see your question and the answer by default and won't have to scroll through all the discussions unless they want to.

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