Strange characters in source segment

I am translating a Word file from a PDF conversion.

It produces the following garbled display in one of the source segments:

Screenshot of Trados Studio editor displaying garbled text with multiple 'box' symbols and question marks in a source segment.

This is with Studio 2017 SR1.

The editor setting for "Formatting display style" is set to "Show all tags but do not show formatting".

I remember seeing things like this happen in the past when Studio was having trouble with fonts. The solution was to use the above setting for "Formatting display style".

This is different. The source file contains two little "box" symbols produced from a PDF conversion. The boxes are from the boxes that were in the legend of a chart in the PDF file.

Here is the test Word file I used to isolate the problem characters. It contains only the two box symbols: 

0574.test.docx

When characters like this are mixed in with regular characters (in this case it was a chart legend, with each of these characters followed by a text label), it is difficult to locate and edit the text that needs to be translated.

Any suggestions? Is there a setting I can change to see something reasonable in the editor? (By the way, these special characters are also stored in the TM when I confirm a segment.)

Best regards,
Bruce Campbell
ASAP Language Services



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  • Thank you Paul,

    That is exactly what I wanted to see. It appears to be a problem with my installation of Studio.

    Do you have any idea why these characters are creating garbage on my screen while displaying nicely as small boxes on yours?

    Bruce
  • I assumed that when I installed Studio 2019 SR1 that the strange characters would be displayed properly.

    I set all of the Studio 2019 SR1 settings manually, made new project templates, arranged windows, etc.

    And then I see this again when I create a test project with the same test Word file as before:

     Screenshot of Trados Studio displaying a test project with rows of strange characters instead of expected text.

    I have to say that Studio is the only program I have ever had so much difficulty installing/updating.

    I did two repairs of Studio prior to installing Studio 2019, to see whether that would get rid of the display problem in Studio 2017. It didn't.

    Now I have to find time to use the cleanup tool for Studio.

    Except, of course, SDL decided not to name it "Cleanup". A search for "clean" also does not find anything. Luckily a search for "uninstall" finds the app "SDL Freshstart". Not what I would call an intuitive name, especially when you have to find this app in a collection of hundreds of other apps.

    Okay, then I install "Freshstart", but apparently SDL decided not to use a normal install. Can't find "FreshStart" in the Windows 10 Start menu.

    So, go back to the description of the app -- and find out that it installs a shortcut on my desktop.

    Every other program I have ever installed also installs a Start menu entry. Why not Freshstart?

    Now I have to create an entry for Freshstart in my Start menu, so I move the shortcut to C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu

    Okay, all set to try out Freshstart.

    But I don't have the courage to try it now, because if it messes up somehow and wipes out both Studio 2017 and 2019, then I will have to spend several more hours (it is already late) getting everything set up for work tomorrow morning.

     

    By the way. Next time SDL announces an update, they should allow people to install it. The announcement for Studio 2019 SR1 was made on 10 December (yes, North America is in a different time zone :-), but SDL decided not to let people install it until 11 December.

    No problem, right? Trying to activate Studio 2019 triggered an error message and the program was not activated. I tried a couple of times.

    But the process nevertheless used up an activation each time in my SDL licences account. Brilliant! Luckily I was able to chat with an SDL representative who reset both activations.

    All in all, not a very productive evening, but I have to admit I was expecting it to be a frustrating experience.

    Best regards,
    Bruce Campbell
    ASAP Language Services

     

     

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  • Hi Paul,

    I still have no idea why you see nice little boxes when you display these test characters in Studio, while I see garbage on my screen.

    Here is what I did today:

    I restored my system partition with a backup from the night before I installed Studio 2019.

    Then I installed Studio 2019 SR1 again -- but this time I did not change any Studio settings.

    So, using Studio 2019 SR1 "straight out of the box", I did a "File->Translate Single Document" and loaded my small test file with the strange characters.

    This is what was displayed on the screen:

    Screenshot of Trados Studio displaying a document with unreadable characters, showing a series of question marks and squares in place of the expected text.

    Same garbage as before. The only time I have seen garbage like this is when Studio can't handle a special font, so I changed the "Formatting display style" to "Show all tags but do not show formatting". The garbage was unfortunately still displayed.

    But there was some progress:

    Last time I installed Studio 2019 SR1, Studio would not accept the focus when I clicked in a Studio target segment. I had to click twice. (So if I was in Chrome and then clicked on a target segment in Studio 2019, the focus would remain in Chrome and when I started typing, the text would be typed into Chrome instead of Studio.) Very irritating. That did not happen this time when I re-installed Studio 2019 SR1.

    Last time I installed Studio 2019 SR1, I could not find the "Insert symbol" section anywhere in the ribbon. I had this problem in Studio 2009, 2011, 2014 and 2015 and was very happy when the "Insert symbol" part of the ribbon did not disappear in Studio 2017.

    There initially appeared to be no problem with the ribbon this time -- but then I changed some Studio settings. Now those parts of the ribbon sometimes disappear.

    Yes, I realize this does not make any sense, but that is exactly my experience with Studio. Completely innocuous changes to the settings can cause completely unrelated problems.

    I just want a fully functional version of Studio 2019 without wiping my system disk and installing Windows 10 and all of my programs from scratch. (Which is what I did when I installed Studio 2017.)

    Best regards,
    Bruce Campbell
    ASAP Language Services

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  • Hi again Paul,

    I decided to uninstall Studio 2019 and 2017 and then try re-installing Studio 2019.

    Studio 2019 and Multiterm 2019 uninstalled fine.

    Then when I tried to uninstall Studio 2017 I got the following error:

    Error message during uninstallation of SDL Trados Studio 2017 SR1 stating 'Setup did not complete. The error is: Setup has detected a different version of this product already installed. If you still wish to remove or repair that version, you must use that version's installer.' with an OK button.

    Well, it looks like Studio 2019 left a few things behind after the uninstall.

    I guess I have to recover from my backup again (the backup that was done before I installed Studio 2019) and then try uninstalling Studio 2017 again.

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  • Okay. Restored from the system backup that was made before Studio 2019 SR1 was installed.

    The only SDL products on my system are Studio 2017 SR1 and MultiTerm 2017 SR1.

    Tried to uninstall Studio 2017 SR1 and received this error:

    Error message in Trados Studio indicating a SuiteLoadException and a problem reading the Studio file at a specific file path. Instructions to generate a debug log and contact support are provided.

    I wonder why SDL thinks I have the Professional version installed (which I assume is what this means). I have the Freelance version of Studio.

    Studio 2017 still runs fine and is still activated.

    To say the least, this is getting a bit ridiculous.

    I will use Freshstart to set Studio 2017's settings back to default. Then we will see whether the test file displays properly.

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  • On second thought, I am not going to use Freshstart.

    I just noticed that there is no licence showing for Studio 2017 SR1 in my SDL account any longer. For all I know, if I fool around with Studio too much I might lose my licence and not be able to use Studio 2017 again.

    And there is absolutely nothing that I can see in the (!! 34 page !!) SDL Installation Guide for Studio 2019 about the licensing for Studio 2017. It just says to install Studio 2017 first if you want to use both Studio 2017 and 2019.

    It is getting late and I can't afford to not have Studio 2017 available for work in the morning. This has been day 2 with too many hours once again wasted on Studio.

    Anyway, judging from the many people with problems after installing Studio 2019 SR1, it might be a better idea to just forget about Studio 2019 for the time being and wait for the next update. Maybe I'll have better luck then.