Cago Oav

I don't think you will have a solution for this yet... other than to work with a 3rd party tool like XBench perhaps for QA. I don't think XBench offers anything really sophisticated either but I do know some users like Chunyi Chen use this for other languages with the same problem.

The problem is that languages without word boundaries present a difficult problem for us since we don't do any morphological processing other than some rudimentary stemming.  Language Cloud does offer a smarter solution here but unfortunately the term verifier in Trados Studio cannot use a Language Cloud termbase... as far as I'm aware.  Daniel Brockmann may have more details to help here?

Cago Oav

I don't think you will have a solution for this yet... other than to work with a 3rd party tool like XBench perhaps for QA. I don't think XBench offers anything really sophisticated either but I do know some users like Chunyi Chen use this for other languages with the same problem.

The problem is that languages without word boundaries present a difficult problem for us since we don't do any morphological processing other than some rudimentary stemming.  Language Cloud does offer a smarter solution here but unfortunately the term verifier in Trados Studio cannot use a Language Cloud termbase... as far as I'm aware.  Daniel Brockmann may have more details to help here?

Dear Paul,

Thank you for your help and suggestion. Indeed, Khmer do have word boundaries with Zero-Width Space and we input them properly. You may see screenshot 1 attached. In that case, if you can fix this bug, this will be very helpful.

Moreover, regarding ZWSP, if there is a distinguish character display from Space, this will be a lot of help for Khmer. You may see screenshot 2 of ZWSP in TWS XLIFF Editor.

One more bug I found in Studio 2021 is the display problem in option window in screenshot 3. Please kindly check.

Thank you,

Cago

Hi Paul - Studio can use an LC termbase including term verification so it would be worth a look. Thanks, Daniel

Dear Daneil and Paul - Can you instruct me how to use LC termbase? Thanks, Cago

Cago Oav

Cago Oav said:

Indeed, Khmer do have word boundaries with Zero-Width Space and we input them properly. You may see screenshot 1 attached. In that case, if you can fix this bug, this will be very helpful.

Please can you provide me with a sample file, sdlxliff fully translated and also a small termbase to test with?  I also only just noticed that your source is actually English so term recognition should work just fine here.  I clearly didn't read your original post properly!!

Cago Oav said:

Moreover, regarding ZWSP, if there is a distinguish character display from Space, this will be a lot of help for Khmer. You may see screenshot 2 of ZWSP in TWS XLIFF Editor.

Your sample file will be helpful here.  Perhaps yo can also let me know where the work boundaries are wit a screenshot as this will also help as it's hard for me to work in Khmer.

Cago Oav said:

One more bug I found in Studio 2021 is the display problem in option window in screenshot 3. Please kindly check.

Please elaborate on this because I have no clue what you are referring to here?  The reference to a screenshot doesn't help me at all.

Hi Paul,

Attached here are the sample project file with sample termbase file.

Regarding ZWSP, please check screenshot with yellow highlight. (screenshot1)

Regarding bug in option window, you can see that the display of the option is NOT visible in my PC perhaps as the result of screen resolution. (screenshot2)

Thanks, Cago

TestKhmerProject.zipTestKhmerTermbase.zip

Cago Oav Daniel Brockmann

I had a play with the project and the termbase provided.  First of all, in Trados Studio using the local termbase:

I checked a few as well as I could and Trados is indeed incorrectly reporting missing terms as this one more obvious example shows.

I then created a cloud termbase using the same resources.  First using a "Linguistic search" which is new in LC Terminology:

Then using a "Fuzzy search" which is similar to the Trados Studio file-based TB approach:

So definitely better with the "Linguistic search", and it may be possible that some expert knowledge of the language could help to fine tune the settings for this.  So definitely worth trying, and clearly an improvement.

To create this Cago I used the Glossary Converter from the appstore as it's faster.  Use this format setting:

Then when I drag and drop the SDLTB into the main interface of the app it returns the *.xdt and also the *.xml file.  I can then use the XDT in Language Cloud to create the termbase that matches the file-based one exactly, and I can import the XML into it.  Like this:

Then you just add it to your project by selecting this option:

Just make sure that you have logged into Trados Studio to do this so it knows where to find your LC account.

Hi Paul, will LC termbase fix the problem?

Cago Oav

I have just shown you how it reduces the problem.  If you read through the post you'll see only two terms are not found.  I also said you may be able to improve on this by playing with the settings.  But even this is already better than no terms being found at all which is what you see with the file-based terminology.

You asked how to set this up so I created a video to show you which is also in the post above.  I recommend you have a go and see whether you think the results are better for you or not.  You have Trados Studio 2021 so you do have access to this cloud based terminology.  Just go to here and log in, then follow the steps I showed you in the video:

https://languagecloud.sdl.com/

Hi Paul, thank you for your reply and more info about this. Will try all those setting