Pascal Zotto 

Always helps to have a sample to play with.  But perhaps this will help.  I created this sample and the expressions with the help of ChatGPT:

<quiz>
    <question number="258" type="MCQ">
        <content>
            <p>What is the name of the fire-breathing creature in Greek mythology?</p>
            <computed>Hint: It has the body of a lion and the tail of a serpent.</computed>
        </content>
    </question>
    <question number="359" type="TF">
        <content>
            <p>Is the Phoenix a creature that is reborn from its own ashes?</p>
            <computed>True or False?</computed>
        </content>
    </question>
    <question number="460" type="MCQ">
        <content>
            <p>Which creature in Norse mythology is known as the world serpent?</p>
            <computed>Hint: Its name starts with a 'J'.</computed>
        </content>
    </question>
    <question number="561" type="MCQ">
        <content>
            <p>What is the name of the one-eyed giants in Greek mythology?</p>
            <computed>Hint: It starts with 'C'.</computed>
        </content>
    </question>
    <question number="662" type="TF">
        <content>
            <p>Are Unicorns considered mythical creatures in every culture?</p>
            <computed>True or False?</computed>
        </content>
    </question>
    <question number="763" type="MCQ">
        <content>
            <p>What is the name of the multi-headed dog guarding the underworld in Greek mythology?</p>
            <computed>Hint: It starts with 'C'.</computed>
        </content>
    </question>
    <question number="864" type="MCQ">
        <content>
            <p>Which creature in Chinese mythology is known for its power over water?</p>
            <computed>Hint: It's a dragon.</computed>
        </content>
    </question>
    <question number="965" type="TF">
        <content>
            <p>Is the Kraken a legendary sea monster of gigantic size in Scandinavian folklore?</p>
            <computed>True or False?</computed>
        </content>
    </question>
    <question number="1066" type="MCQ">
        <content>
            <p>What is the name of the bird in Egyptian mythology that symbolizes the sun, creation, and rebirth?</p>
            <computed>Hint: It starts with 'B'.</computed>
        </content>
    </question>
    <question number="1167" type="TF">
        <content>
            <p>Is Bigfoot considered a mythical creature?</p>
            <computed>True or False?</computed>
        </content>
    </question>
    <question number="1268" type="MCQ">
        <content>
            <p>Which creature in Japanese mythology is a turtle-like creature often depicted with a tail and long neck?</p>
            <computed>Hint: It starts with 'K'.</computed>
        </content>
    </question>
    <question number="1369" type="MCQ">
        <content>
            <p>What is the name of the half-man, half-horse creatures in Greek mythology?</p>
            <computed>Hint: It starts with 'C'.</computed>
        </content>
    </question>
<question number="1470" type="TF">
    <content>
        <p>Is Medusa a mythical creature with snakes for hair in Greek mythology?</p>
        <computed>True or False?</computed>
    </content>
</question>
<question number="1571" type="MCQ">
    <content>
        <p>What is the name of the legendary creature in Irish folklore known for its shape-shifting abilities?</p>
        <computed>Hint: It starts with 'C'.</computed>
    </content>
</question>
<question number="1672" type="MCQ">
    <content>
        <p>Which creature in Hindu mythology is depicted as a large serpent that surrounds the world?</p>
        <computed>Hint: It starts with 'S'.</computed>
    </content>
</question>
<question number="1773" type="TF">
    <content>
        <p>Are Goblins considered mythical creatures that are mischievous and troublemakers?</p>
        <computed>True or False?</computed>
    </content>
</question>
<question number="1874" type="MCQ">
    <content>
        <p>What is the name of the half-man, half-goat creatures in Greek mythology?</p>
        <computed>Hint: It starts with 'S'.</computed>
    </content>
</question>
<question number="1975" type="TF">
    <content>
        <p>Is the Loch Ness Monster a mythical creature believed to inhabit the waters of Loch Ness in Scotland?</p>
        <computed>True or False?</computed>
    </content>
</question>
<question number="2076" type="MCQ">
    <content>
        <p>Which mythical creature is known for luring sailors to their doom with their enchanting voices in Greek mythology?</p>
        <computed>Hint: It starts with 'S'.</computed>
    </content>
</question>
<question number="2177" type="TF">
    <content>
        <p>Is the Griffin a mythical creature with the body of a lion and the head of an eagle?</p>
        <computed>True or False?</computed>
    </content>
</question>
<question number="2278" type="MCQ">
    <content>
        <p>What is the name of the mythical creature in Slavic folklore known for its ability to control the weather and bring storms?</p>
        <computed>Hint: It starts with 'B'.</computed>
    </content>
</question>
<question number="2255" type="TF">
    <content>
        <p>Is the Manticore a mythical creature with the body of a lion, a human head, and a scorpion tail?</p>
        <computed>True or False?</computed>
    </content>
</question>
</quiz>

The XPath expression to select the <p> and <computed> elements for translation, except for the ones whose parent <question> has an attribute number equal to 561, 763, 1066, or 1268 would be this for example:

//question[not(@number=561 or @number=763 or @number=1066 or @number=1268)]/content/*[self::p or self::computed]

1. //question: It selects all <question> elements in the XML document.
2. [not(@number=561 or @number=763 or @number=1066 or @number=1268)]: Filters the <question> elements that don't have a number attribute equal to 561, 763, 1066, or 1268.
3. /content: Selects the <content> child element of the filtered <question> elements.
4. /*[self::p or self::computed]: Selects the child elements of the <content> elements that are either <p> or <computed>.

I don't think regex will work for your use case.  But to try and make it easier to add lists of exclusions I pressed ChatGPT for a better answer:

//question[not(contains('|561|763|1066|1268|', concat('|', @number, '|')))]/content/*[self::p or self::computed]

1. //question: It selects all <question> elements in the XML document.
2. not(contains('|561|763|1066|1268|', concat('|', @number, '|'))):
   • concat('|', @number, '|'): Concatenates the current number attribute value with pipe characters | on both sides.
   • contains('|561|763|1066|1268|', ...): Checks if the concatenated string is present in the list of exclusions (the pipe-separated string).
   • not(...): Filters the <question> elements that don't match the exclusions.
3. /content: Selects the <content> child element of the filtered <question> elements.
4. /*[self::p or self::computed]: Selects the child elements of the <content> elements that are either <p> or <computed>.

To add more exclusions, simply append them to the pipe-separated list, like |561|763|1066|1268|NewExclusion|.

That may not be exactly what you were after as you didn't provide a sample file, but perhaps it'll help you to handle the file you have?  But both expressions worked well for me in Trados Studio with just two rules... for example;

Hi Paul,

yes, sorry, I was completely in a hassle yesterday and forgot to add a sample and my filetype settings I have so far. I thought of these 2 hours ago.

This is my first try to build such a filetype setting from scratch.

Apparently we used different approaches to create the filetype settings as I don't get any results at all, when I add the rules to the parser. :( I have Trados 2022. I tried 2 filetype settings but don't get the correct result...

Not sure what I did wrong when using the wizard to create the settings.2 xml file type settings.zip

Thanks Paul,

I'll have to check that one after solving one more issue I just saw occurs: apparently Trados ignores my XML survey 2 filetype setting and uses the inbuilt (last in the list of filetype settings) XML 2: Any XML. If XML survey FT setting is enabled then Trados uses that one instead of XML 2: Any XML FT setting.

How can that happen? My own FT setting is enabled and looks for XML, that might then also explain why my embedded content rules did not match and why the parser rules don't work as the FT settings are not considered at all.

Ok, this part is solved. There was a trailing space in the Detection string. The tags now also work. Now I only need to check the parser rules. I’ll keep you updated.

Ok, the parser does still not work correctly. If I try to change it (paste your parser rule) and click on OK I get the error: the object reference was not set to an object instance.

Furthermore I have html tags in the strings to translate: for some unknown reason segments get segmented before and after these tags. How can I avoid this segmentation? (I chose your first way for the embedded contents.)

Hi Paul,

OK, I got rid of the error. I had to remove the paragraph setting.

The tags still work but the issue with segmentation is still not solved.

Isn't there a way to remove or disable the general embedded content HMTL parser from XML files? Maybe via a different file type setting?

And filtering does not work yet either...

I'll try, what results I get with way #3.

Edit: How do I get Multilingual XML to recognise my xml? 'Language Root: /survey' does not work although it should as this is the root element.

Ok, now I managed to get the filetype associated but it only returns the content of the very first p element

I managed to extract the first text element in total 3 p elements which generate 5 segments but Trados just duplicates these 5 segmentes for each further text element… oO

LOL Now I get all p elements from all elements but only the first p element of each parent element

Here is what I got so far. Multilingual XML.zip

Just a thought, but is it even possible to match more than one of the same subelement with Multilingual XML parser as to me the rule which defines which language is to be found in which subelement only "allows" one element per language.

 Pascal Zotto 

Pascal Zotto said:

is it even possible to match more than one of the same subelement with Multilingual XML parser as to me the rule which defines which language is to be found in which subelement only "allows" one element per language.

It depends.  You can of course match more than one element, it all depends on your rule.  It's not intended to be a complete replacement from the xml filetype as that sort of flexibility around extracting whatever you like with a parser rule obviously won't eork, but for simple structures like yours it seem possible.  For example... using this as the "Languages Root":

/survey/section/question[not(contains('|526|811|', concat('|', @number, '|')))]/*[self::headline or self::choices]/text

And this as the language:

p

Seems to work... I added a couple of placeholders and used the embedded html for the ones you added:

I didn't spend a lot of time on this so you'd need to check thoroughly if anything was missing, but it seems possible with this quick check.

 Pascal Zotto 

Pascal Zotto said:

is it even possible to match more than one of the same subelement with Multilingual XML parser as to me the rule which defines which language is to be found in which subelement only "allows" one element per language.

It depends.  You can of course match more than one element, it all depends on your rule.  It's not intended to be a complete replacement from the xml filetype as that sort of flexibility around extracting whatever you like with a parser rule obviously won't eork, but for simple structures like yours it seem possible.  For example... using this as the "Languages Root":

/survey/section/question[not(contains('|526|811|', concat('|', @number, '|')))]/*[self::headline or self::choices]/text

And this as the language:

p

Seems to work... I added a couple of placeholders and used the embedded html for the ones you added:

I didn't spend a lot of time on this so you'd need to check thoroughly if anything was missing, but it seems possible with this quick check.

 Paul 

Thanks. With this query the filter also works. But I have some p elements that are in another branch: survey > text > p but p has several p elements under the very same text.

I just added this part to Languages Root right after your rule: | /survey/text

With this I get the first line plus all the rest of the xml I also got with your rule alone but I miss the other p elements.

The beginning of the file looks like this: (without the comments between brackets)

<survey xml:lang="en-us">
    <text id="survey/intro" translate="true">
        <p>xxx xxxx xxx</p>    (I get this line only)
        <p> </p>
        <p>xxx xxxx xxx <span bold="true">xxx xxxx xxx</span> xxx xxxx xxx. </p> (but I need this one too)
        <p> </p>
        <p>xxx xxxx xxx. xxx xxxx xxx. xxx xxxx xxx.</p> (and also this one)
    </text>
    <section name="Screening questions"> … (starting 'from here we have other segments I'll then try to catch as well that do not match the rule we have so far)

Edit: OK, I got all p elements not by changing language Location to: child::text()

but now the filters do not seem to work, once again.

Pascal Zotto 

Maybe try something like this:

/survey/section/question[not(contains('|526|811|', concat('|', @number, '|')))]/*[self::headline or self::choices]/text/p | //survey/text/p

Paul Yes, that gives me all the missing p elements and even those I need from other parent elements but once again the filter seems to get disabled... oO

The filters seem to hate me here ;)

BTW: Do you happen to know a good offline xpath tester, where I can select the xml and then just test xpath rules like in RegexBuddy for Regex rules?

Pascal Zotto 

I don't know about good... but I like to use this one:

https://download.cnet.com/XPath-Visualizer/3000-7241_4-75804649.html

I just found that link as I've had this tool for years and the original link which I shared in this article (https://multifarious.filkin.com/2015/11/07/x-files-ata56/ ) doesn't work anymore.  So take this at your own risk!

If you take it note you have to press "Alt" every time you start it to access the menus.  Catches everyone out!

unfortunately xpath visualizer does not work for me. It freezes as soon as I add some code or file. :(

Pascal Zotto 

Too bad... maybe take a look at some of the other tools I noted in that presentation.

Pascal Zotto 

Notepad++ has a plugin named XML Tools to get XPaths. Everything is free… not tested though.

doh... I have that extension installed but did not think about it for xpath. I looked under notepad++ plugins for xpath first thing last week and did not get any result. Today I tried again and even got XPatherizerNPP oO

Thanks Jesús Prieto for pointing me to try NP++ to look again

Both plugins seem to work fine but have a different approach on showing the results.

Paul 

I’m getting closer to get it work for Multilingual XML but I just saw a problem with regex for a Placeholder pattern. The regex is correct (tested in Notepad++ and RegexBuddy) but within the preview it does not match the expected string but only the beginning of it: <

it should match <This string of whatever length>

Regex used: ^((\s)?(&lt;|<).*(&gt;|>)?)$

So instead of converting <This string of whatever length> to a tag it only converts <

Pascal Zotto 

You probably want this:

((\s)?(&lt;|<).*(&gt;|>)?)

Although it doesn't seem too clever and might be what you really need at all.

Pascal Zotto said:

it should match <This string of whatever length>

Your regex is greedy, so could fail you by picking up too much.  I have no idea what your files look like but this might be more appropriate:

(<[^>]*?>|&lt;[^&]*?&gt;)