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How to prevent segmentation after number followed by dot in German?

Jerzy Czopik

In German we have that quite often:

A number followed by a dot in the middle of a sentence. Like "Ich war in der 3. Reihe"
Studio will typically segment after such number. I need to prevent that without having to add all the ordinal followers...

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  • 0
    How about adding a regex exception to the full stop rule?
  • 0 in reply to Nora Díaz
    Thought about it, but how? I must admit the regex there is beyond my capabilities...

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  • 0 in reply to Jerzy Czopik

    I'm sure it's not!!

    Just go the segmentation rules and add an exception like this:

    Paul Filkin | RWS Group

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  • 0 in reply to Paul
    Sorry, this was a no brainer. I think it is time to stop working...

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  • 0 in reply to Paul
    BTW, the customer who came up with this (quite massive with his TMs) problem asks, why does Studio segment after such numbers?
    IMHO this is a valid question - and if you have to adapt hundreds of TMs just to prevent it happening, it does not really make fun...
    The opposite approach would be better IMO - an exception, if you WANT to segment after number(dot).

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  • 0 in reply to Paul
    BTW, the customer who came up with this (quite massive with his TMs) problem asks, why does Studio segment after such numbers?
    IMHO this is a valid question - and if you have to adapt hundreds of TMs just to prevent it happening, it does not really make fun...
    The opposite approach would be better IMO - an exception, if you WANT to segment after number(dot).

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  • 0 in reply to Jerzy Czopik
    Well I think it's a very common scenario where people number incorrectly, probably more common and also heavily used in the file. So they manually create numbered headings for example. In these scenarios I think it's probably considered better to handle these numbers separately and keep the TM clean for better leverage.

    Probably good arguments for both!

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  • 0 in reply to Paul
    If there would be a possibility to export and import these settings (like requested years ago), that could be the first step to make it easier to use. Or - maybe a better idea - let the user create segmentation rules withing language pairs, which would then apply to any TM used in that particular language pair. There is optimization potential in language resource setting for TMs, certainly.

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  • 0 in reply to Jerzy Czopik
    Indeed. In SDLX it was possible to import/export seg. rules from a TM.
  • 0 in reply to Jerzy Czopik
    Yes, I agree with you completely here Jerzy. The language resource template is useful, but not helpful when you just want to change things in existing TMs. I think having the language resources as a mobile resource that could be applied to any TM would be the ideal scenario. One for development though as this would be a big change I think.

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  • 0 in reply to Paul
    But this would be a huge change in usability for all users, believe me. Even freelancers do have several TMs. I for one have 266 TMs for Studio, so it would be a huge task to adapt the language resources in all of them...

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  • 0 in reply to Jerzy Czopik
    I don't doubt it.

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  • 0 in reply to Paul
    Hi Paul

    The incorrect numbering is only one possibility. In German, the dot is used for ordinals: "1." meaning "1st", "2." meaning "2nd", etc. within a sentence. A text such as "His second attempt to ..." would result in "Sein 2. Versuch zu ...".
    From this, you can see that Studio should by default not segment after such numbers (at least not if the target language is any variant of German).
    So, I agree with the customer quoted by Jerzy: this should be standard in Studio and not require the user to adapt the segmentation rules (which is anyway beyond the capabilities of average users:-)).

    Walter
  • 0 in reply to Walter Blaser
    I'm attempting to align a Croatian document with an English document and for some reason the Croatian segmentation is failing to break correctly even though I've updated the segmentation rules as suggested here. Trados 2015 service pack three under Windows 7.
  • 0 in reply to Paul

    Yes, a great idea to make segmentation rules independent of the TM.