segmentation rules

Hello,

during pre-translation, Trados divide into segments sentences with soft return but only for Romanian language. I checked on the TM the segmentation rules and all seems to be ok

Trados Studio segmentation rules dialog box with 'Full stop rule' and 'Other terminating punctuation' listed under 'Regole di segmentazione' for Romanian language.

But in trados I see the segmentation divides in 2. What can I do?

(Indesign source file)

InDesign source file showing a sentence 'DAL CUORE DELLE ALPI VERSO IL MONDO' with a soft return causing a line break.

(Trados segmentation)

Trados Studio segment view splitting the sentence 'DAL CUORE DELLE ALPI VERSO IL MONDO' into two segments at the soft return.

Thank you!



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[edited by: Trados AI at 6:27 AM (GMT 0) on 5 Mar 2024]
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  • Hi

    Does it only happen for IT/RO?
    What if you open it without a TM - as it remove any impact the TM segmentation may have
    For troubleshooting purposes, what happens if you open the file in EN-FR as an example

    Reason for these questions is because there are other factors other than the TM segmentation rules, especially as there are layers in InDesign that could be impacting. 

    What version of InDesign is your file? Reason I ask is because of the file type settings that can be explored to see if there is a setting that maybe impacting the segmentation.
    Example for INX there are some options around line breaks

    Trados Studio options menu with 'Extract discretionary line breaks' checked under 'Common' settings for Adobe InDesign CS2-CS4 INX file type.

    I really love the preview file, that allows for you to explore all the settings and their impact over segment.
    Once perfected then we can review the impact of the TM, if at all.

    I hope this helps a bit

    Have a good day

    Lyds 

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    [edited by: Trados AI at 6:27 AM (GMT 0) on 5 Mar 2024]
  • Hello Lydia,

    many thanks for your help!

    Yes, it happens only with IT>RO and no with other languages pair. 

    I modify the file type on Indesign INX (the version I use) as you suggested and without inserting the TM it works correctly. Then I create a new project with the same file type setting inserting the TM and it does NOT work. How can we review the impact on TM? I suppose the problem is the TM now...

    Thanks

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  • As described above, I used the filetype for indesign and with the previews everything is OK

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    I just tested with an InDesign file (IDML) and also a Word file (DOCX)... IT  -> RO... everything looks ok and I used a TM:

    Trados Studio interface showing a list of segments from an InDesign IDML file and a Word DOCX file with status indicators such as 'XRF+' and 'TOC'.

    As usual nothing is that simple.  I can't work with INX as it's too old and I have no means to create such a file. I think I'd need CS4 or earlier.  So I'd be happy to test this with an INX if you have one, just to see if I can repro the issue.  But in all honesty even if I can I doubt this is a problem that would see the light of day in the development backlog as it's such an old filetype and we have other priorities that would probably block it.

    Note I want to give you a realistic view on this problem rather than just tell you it's logged!  But send me the file anyway and at least I can see if it's even reproducible.

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    [edited by: Trados AI at 8:59 AM (GMT 0) on 27 Feb 2024]
  • thank you! may I send you the file in a private email?

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  • could be the reason also this setting in the TM?I always change it but it does not remain saved, I don't know why!

    Trados Studio translation memory settings window with 'Full stop rule' selected under segmentation rules and a pop-up message indicating an error with the rule not being saved.

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    may I send you the file in a private email?

    I'd rather you created a small file with only this text and send that in here.  I don't like having to spend time working on huge files people send me.

    could be the reason also this setting in the TM?

    I do think the problem is more likely to be related to your TM.  The default TM settings don't cause this problem for me so it would be good if you could create a new empty TM and see if you still have the same problem?

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  • It was just to send you also the TM, anyway you can find the file indesign attached. i tried to create a new empty TM and the problem disappeared, i insert again the TM I used to use and the problem disappear again. Test per RO_MIX_SL.idml.zip

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    i tried to create a new empty TM and the problem disappeared, i insert again the TM I used to use and the problem disappear again.

    I think you mean the problem appeared again?  Just checking.

    On that basis you could create a new TM from your existing so that it has the same settings but no content.  Just right-click on a TM in the TM View and select "New Translation Memory From":

    Trados Studio screenshot showing the Translation Memories section with a right-click context menu open and an arrow pointing to the 'New Translation Memory From' option.

    Then share that empty TM.

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  • yes i'm sorry. I wanted to mean the problem appeared again.

    I did what you suggested but also with the NEW TM empety the problem goes on.

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    I think this problem is caused by your custom segmentation rules and what looks like a slightly buggy Trados with the rule changes not sticking!  In the end I managed to make it stick by dong this:

    1. open the language resources in the SDLTM
    2. reset to default for every rule on the source AND target side
    3. before closing and saving, reindex the TM
    4. go back and make sure they are still set to default
    5. save the changes

    Now try again, and this time all was well for me. I attached the TM I "fixed":

    test per RO_sulla base della nuova.zip

    Note: my attachment is really zipped!  You fooled me for a bit by just renaming the SDLTM with a zip extension ;-)

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    I think this problem is caused by your custom segmentation rules and what looks like a slightly buggy Trados with the rule changes not sticking!  In the end I managed to make it stick by dong this:

    1. open the language resources in the SDLTM
    2. reset to default for every rule on the source AND target side
    3. before closing and saving, reindex the TM
    4. go back and make sure they are still set to default
    5. save the changes

    Now try again, and this time all was well for me. I attached the TM I "fixed":

    test per RO_sulla base della nuova.zip

    Note: my attachment is really zipped!  You fooled me for a bit by just renaming the SDLTM with a zip extension ;-)

    Paul Filkin | RWS Group

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