Reynir Gunnlaugsson

Might be that the all caps is not due to all characters being uppercase, but through the font style? Since the font used in the editor (your screenshot) is obviously not identical with the font used in the document...

Can you try entering some translation and exporting the target document, just to have a look whether it's back to all caps there?

DAniel

Daniel Hug

We have indeed done so on several occasions and the translation comes out in the same manner as the source text. The problem seems to lie in the creation phase of the project, where a perfectly valid document with its first line in uppercase is converted (miraculously) into ,,proper" text. Maybe this has something to do with the "Correct TWo INitial CApitals" setting in the editor menu ?

Reynir Gunnlaugsson

The "Correct two initial capitals" setting affects only the text entry in the target window, it works like a macro, you can see it work if you enter "HEllo", as soon as you enter the space after the word it will change it to "Hello". That's all.

May I ask what format the source document has?

DAniel

It is a Microsoft Word .docx document with TimesNewRoman font, size 9

For me it seems like the paragraph style in Word is applied, while in Studio this is simply not shown. Please check the style applied to this very paragraph in Word—I strongly assume "Capitalize" is selected there in the font attributes.

It says "Main Title" in the Styles section ?

Then again the said "Main Title" does not contain the All Caps definition for some reason ?

Jerzy Czopik and Reynir Gunnlaugsson

The interesting question is why the style is not preserved in the target document, the text not re-injected into the style tags?

The styles would be usually preserved. What can happen is, that the template used for this Word file is not present where Word is being processed and thus the changes appear. Without seeing the file I cannot tell you more.

Would it be possible to leave the paragraph in question and few following paragraphs (you can replace text with anything, preferably with https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorem_ipsum) and upload the file here? This would make the sherlocking investigations for Watsons here easier.

Sorry Jerzy, lost you there, I have no idea how to upload the file. Could you give me directions for how to do that ?

Use insert—image or video—upload

Use insert—image or video—upload

Here is a little test that I made, where all is portrayed correctly. The culprit is probably the Style that the formatting provider is using?

Reynir Gunnlaugsson

In your document the caps lock effect is achieved by applying the "caps lock" attribute manually (clicking "Font" and then "Caps lock" in Word).

Trados correctly imports the respective tags:

And when I export the target document, it looks like this:

The only problem comes up if I ask Trados to display formatting, but not to display formatting tags:

Nota bene that there is also a setting to not report missing formatting tags.

Make sure you have that unchecked, so that Trados warns you if there is an issue with formatting tags.

My guess is that these are your settings. (Same thing happened to me before!)

Let me know if making formatting tags visible solves the problem (in the "View" tab):

Daniel

Dear Daniel, thanks for looking. I was not at my PC until now, so I have not looked yet. But you have already perfectly explained what is going on. So my assumption these are styles in Word was correct.

Jerzy Czopik

The All Caps style is not part of the Title style, but a font style manually applied to part of the first segment. As far as I can see everything is handled correctly by Studio, but the project settings might have been wrong insofar as they neither showed the inline tags not alerted the user to them being missing.

I wonder whether not displaying "All caps" text as such is intentional?

This shows the weakness of Word—you can apply styles and modify the formatting in any way you wish, which makes all this very unreliable. It can be, that beside the paragraph style also a character style has been applied. Anyway, the tags for all caps are there. In my case the text would not be shown with all caps, as I do not show any formatting, but only tags.

Jerzy Czopik I also don't usually have Trados show formatting in the Editor, buteven if you do, it does not show the text in all caps.The argument to show it in normal caps could be that HALLO WELT and Hallo Welt should never look identical in the editor, or it could be to prevent confusion around acronyms. It's a tripping hazard this way or that.